Pixar to Disney: Drop Dead

Anyway, point stands that the first African-American princess is reduced to a frog for most of the movie. Tiana might be the only of the recent princesses, save perhaps Pocahontas, whose presence at Disney World last month was limited exclusively to a cameo on the parade. And I'm not even sure I saw her there.

I didn't think this one was bad, actually, just sort of a missed opportunity. Save for Keith David, who should voice every villain.

I don't know what you're talking about with the white money thing, I think that' in your head. She worked hard for all the money - that was the entire point of the movie. The frog point is just stupid, sorry mate. It's a cartoon about animals and turning into a frog, if you didn't know she was black still, then, sorry about that.

i cannot tell if this frog is black

I just meant that after making a point of finally having a princess (or even a lead) who was visibly black, they waste no time turning her into a frog.

Tiana has a white childhood best friend who is filthy rich, with a rich dad (I believe actually named Big Daddy). Charlotte, her friend, the rich southern belle, is the one who hires her to bake or cater. At the end, I think, the frog prince makes her promise to give money to Tiana. That's what was confusing me (having not seen it for a while).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MC3XuMvsDI

ugh!

yeah they're done

i hope everybody likes thinkpieces about gender stereotyping because come july we are IN FOR IT.

this doesn't look good at all. maybe they'll surprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gn6IfWXPbk

exactly

Ffffuuuuuck that looks terrible

Men like sport and women like nagging.

so pixar have made an unauthorised version of the beano's numskulls strip?

http://www.beano.com/media/1371128/93numskullslogo_500x399.jpg

Eh I don't want to judge too harshly on such a small clip, and my residual affection for Pixar is still enourmous, but little mind people aside it looks to have a pretty banal storyline.

But I'd like it to be good, I really would.

So basically...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE489rs0fPA

i like the calvin+hobbes strip with all the tiny calvins and the burt reynolds sperm commander section in everything you always wanted to know about sex but reddening otm

Clearly I am blind

i hope everybody likes thinkpieces about gender stereotyping because come july we are IN FOR IT.

― the dreaded Laramie (reddening), Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Men like sport and women like nagging.

― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:12 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think most people will be bothered by this kind of thing. Like I'm sure everyone else in my office would go "oh COME ON" at these criticisms because they rely on this kind of shit for their own sense of humor. It's the "hahaha soooo truuue" kind of humor they're comfortable with, it's written into their brains and reinforced by hallmark card jokes, words written on snarky novelty items, and commercials featuring women rolling their eyes at dopey husbands.

i mean "sports sports sports toilet seat up oh no!! anniversary :/" is so broadly sitcom-ish to the point of self-parody but pixar has a tendency for that type of stuff and they're the only people on earth still gainfully employing tim allen so i guess it isn't too surprising

also does NO ONE remember cranium command come on now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwLkM0iGE0

People are fucking boring. Pixar know$.

Would not be at all surprised to learn that this was originally pitched as a Cranium Command film.

"sports sports sports toilet seat up oh no!! anniversary :/"

lol well done

I don't think most people will be bothered by this kind of thing. Like I'm sure everyone else in my office would go "oh COME ON" at these criticisms because they rely on this kind of shit for their own sense of humor. It's the "hahaha soooo truuue" kind of humor they're comfortable with, it's written into their brains and reinforced by hallmark card jokes, words written on snarky novelty items, and commercials featuring women rolling their eyes at dopey husbands.

― Evan, Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:33 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well.... yeah. Doesn't mean we have to be excited about it though! Some of their other films really went for something with a lot more heart and insight than this lazy Dreamworksy shit.

Well like I say, there may turn out to be more depth to the concept than the trailer reveals. Signs aren't good though.

This trailer feels roughly of a piece with the somewhat recent trend in commercials that show couples/families who can barely hide their resentment of and boredom with one another.

Well.... yeah. Doesn't mean we have to be excited about it though! Some of their other films really went for something with a lot more heart and insight than this lazy Dreamworksy shit.

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:15 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I'm definitely not saying anyone is forcing us to be excited about that trailer. Just kinda frustrated that people are complacent despite the criticisms already brought up here.

Not that they have to agree either if presented with them.

I want to give Pixar more credit from so many years of goodwill, but they did just make a Monsters Inc prequel and sequel to Cars... still, I will keep hope alive.

i hope everybody likes thinkpieces about gender stereotyping because come july we are IN FOR IT.

― the dreaded Laramie (reddening), Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

evan just pointed me to this and yeah, this is gonna get thinkpieced to death - and rightfully so to a certain extent - unless of course the trailer is deceptive. like ebert *pours liquor* once said, the trailer almost invariably reflects the film the studio (disney overlords rather than pixar people) wanted made, rather than the film that was made.

but pixar might also be washed i mean i didn't even try fuckin' with cars 2 or brave, havent seen any of their flicks since up and toy story 3

Brave was ok, but a little sub-par for them

I'm really worried about the future of The Good Dinosaur.

I fell asleep during Brave and didn't feel particuarly inclined to try again. Monsters Inc prequel was entertaining enough, but hardly a classic.

They're following the Disney template with a glut of classics right out of the gate followed by a slate of forgettable halfassery.

but the Dad in that trailer was daydreaming about SOCCER. It's clearly super-progressive.

they were just thinking about the international box office

ha, yeah that's probably exactly right

Well, both. Soccer was big this year in the US so it's a kill two birds kinda thing.

brave was painfully conventional, occasionally beautiful

monsters u was by-the-numbers hackwork

still lots of goodwill attached to the brand but they need a legit Pixar entertainment aoon

monsters inc prequel was fun, I don't hold that against them. not so sure we need Nemo 2 since Nemo is one of their absolute highlights. Brave was fine, I think it's a much better film than the woeful Frozen.

Despite the quality of any given Pixar movie overall, their animators still consistently come across as the most imaginative and best at timing/expressions/mannerisms/etc of their characters & worlds.

Oh yeah, the animation in that trailer is sublime.

Yes, but Pixar should remember that DreamWorks animation is also very pretty, but underneath lies a vacuous void with the heart of a hyena (a cowardly hyena's heart).

Cars 2 was the beginning of the slide.

Pixar's sequelitis is a little surprising, as even Disney proper has avoided that to a pretty large extent (either shipping that garbage straight to video or dumping it on a lesser studio, a la Planes). I think the critical and commercial success of the Toy Story series went to their heads and suggested that the rest of their library could carry subsequent installments.

true, but so far, the only terrible sequel is Cars 2. I still stand by Monsters U.

Monsters U was fun but Cars 2 good lord

but it's true they really haven't tried anything ambitious or critic-friendly anyway since Up

I guess Brave had its fans actually