Rolling MENA 2014 (Middle East)

xp what about Armenians, or Tibetans in exile? Not to mention that I wouldn't exactly cite chechens or ex-kashmiris as groups that have just completely gotten on with their lives and avoided conflict

If your comment under the pic were that it was an inappropriate venue, I'd have agreed with you, Mordy. You chose a different comment altogether.

Altogether

I think to not beat around it, no one is "blaming the Jews" for Ferguson in that pic. You can say it's "opportunistic" if you like but it's pretty common to see activists trying to link one conflict to another in an attempt to create some kind of unified movement.

To clarify, it's called making an analogy.

I've seen numerous articles insinuating that the IDF is indirectly and even directly involved in the training of Ferguson PD.

Isn't it really really weird for jews to point fingers at other people for not accepting exile?

But point taken it could be these ppl were just being opportunistic and inappropriate and not openly suggesting Israel is responsible for US injustices

Sorry if the wording of that is offensive, btw.

Still otm - only permanent refugee group

Unique circumstances prevailing, don't you think? But anyway...

Kenya's Permanent Refugees: The Camps that Became Cities

I don't have the research at hand - but I doubt Andrew Roberts has either, he tends to be only interested in peoples who can speak English - but I'm sure there are other groups of permanent refugees scattered in less newsworthy parts of the globe.

Isn't it really really weird for jews to point fingers at other people for not accepting exile?

― Frederik B, Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:32 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, tbf, no. Most Jews continue to live outside of Israel, have been stateless for thousands of years.

numerous articles insinuating that the IDF is indirectly and even directly involved in the training of Ferguson PD

seriously dunno where you get this shit. Somehow I have managed to read absolutely zero articles arguing this.

But I think it's a stupid argument anyway: "you got kicked off your land, deal with it" is basically what it boils down to.

Andrew Roberts is the guy who gave a keynote speech at a meeting of a group that openly bills itself as South Africa's "white government in exile" and then claimed he didn't realise it was a racist organisation.

idk Fred we made a go of it in many countries for about 2,000 years until some Jews decided living in exile was no longer an option. The reason pals are different is that Arab countries have explicitly resisted resettling these refugees and also the unique existence of UNRWA. Sorry terse but typing on zing from traffic light

Most Jews continue to live outside of Israel, have been stateless for thousands of years.

(xp) A bit like permanent refugees then?

Except no special UN org and I haven't petitioned Poland for right of return

Anwyay, I'm breaking one of my all time rules here, which is never to get involved in discussions about Israel/Palestine.

Because depending on what 'side' I'm talking too, I end up in an argument.

Had to bite my lip the other day when I overheard an Italian woman I work with coming out with a load of anti-Israel pro-Palestinian balls.

i've been working on not getting into any fights on ilx, and in most cases i've limited my participation on certain threads that i know are trouble but obv i mean i started this thread and i save the really egregious propaganda for the relevant ilafl thread. instead i've transferred my really nasty fights to fb. better echo chamber for me lol.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120413/secret-negotiations-between-yitzhak-molho-abbas-representative

i'm curious who the mysterious confidante is -- i assume not erekat

Except no special UN org and I haven't petitioned Poland for right of return

― Mordy, Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:40 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Actually a lot of European counties do offer a sort of "right of return" for descendants of holocaust survivors, and your point is fatuous anyway because ex-european jews and their descendants fought for and received reparations

some have received reparations for the shoah. my family which escaped the pale near the turn of the century after suffering through multiple pogroms do not qualify for any reparations. i kinda feel like in terms of historical irony the ukrainian ppl did me a solid tho since when 1936 rolled around we were safely in philadelphia, not still sitting around in smila.

i do support reparations for victims of the nakba so i agree w/ that point

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30258537

All charges against Mubarak dropped.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/?single_page=true

Oh good, finally someone to tell us what the media gets wrong about Israel

very cool lady, i'm glad she's safe: http://globalnews.ca/news/1700257/canadian-israeli-woman-reportedly-captured-by-isis/

The ruling Likud faction has formally decided to vote in favor of opposition-proposed bills on the Knesset docket that would dissolve the Knesset and bring about early elections, party sources told The Times of Israel Tuesday

from Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group founder Bassem Eid:
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Proud-Palestinians-must-lead-the-fight-to-reform-UNRWA-383366

UNRWA, to continue its operation, depends on death and the visual suffering of five million Palestinians who continue to wallow in and around UNRWA facilities.

The more Palestinians suffer, the more power goes to UNRWA, which allows it to raise unchecked humanitarian funds and purchase munitions. People ask: Why not abolish UNRWA? Well, this cannot be done.

The only agency that can abolish UNRWA is the UN General Assembly, which has never had the interests of the Palestinian people at heart. After all, the UN rakes in more than $1.2 billion a year as an “incentive” to continue our status as refugees.

People ask: Why not ask the donor nations to defund UNRWA? Do they not realize that a Western defunding of UNRWA would allow nations like Qatar to enter the vacuum, leaving the West with no leverage over UNRWA policy? The point is to influence donor nations to reform UNRWA and predicate future aid to UNRWA on reasonable conditions:

1. Audit all funds allocated to UNRWA, which operates with a $1.2b. budget.

2. Introduce UN High Commissioner for Refugees standards to UNRWA, to encourage permanent refugee settlement.

3. Cancel the UNRWA war curriculum, based on principles of jihad, martyrdom and right of return by force of arms.

4. Demand that UNRWA schools conform to the UNRWA slogan: “Peace Starts Here.”

5. Dismiss UNRWA employees affiliated with Hamas, defined by the donor nations to UNRWA as a terrorist entity.

It is therefore the responsibility of the Palestinian people to rebel against the arbitrary administration of UNRWA, which seeks to perpetuate our refugee status instead of helping our people to strive for a better future.

Lapid and Livni sacked. Elections presumably not far away.

shas, lieberman + lapid are gonna lose seats, bibi and bennett are going to gain -- idk if this means bibi stays in charge in the next admin or what

oh cool now Israeli govt will be even MORE right-wing

Don't worry then we'll finally get Mordy's annexationist utopia where all citizens are equal and Jews are more equal. Only Nixon could go to China.

maybe... i don't think bibi will implement the annexation plan. and i don't think bennett will win enough seats to implement it himself so... idk.

but shakey otm, government most likely will be even more right-wing

Maybe finally they will lower these goddam taxes!!!!

Wait, which country are we talking about again?

the racist one

so all of them

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120506/study-israels-home-demolitions-policy-works-it-moral

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/asia/taliban-attack-pakistani-school.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

“These terrorists are enemies of Pakistan, enemies of Islam and enemies of humanity,” the statement said.

p much

No doubt, as usual, the Pakistan secret service will have been involved.

not sure if that's a homeland joke or if you have some reason to think that pakistani intelligence is both on good enough terms with the taliban to conduct proxy attacks through them, and has some reason to attack a pakistani school

Both

Well maybe not attacking a school, but it's an army school, so....