2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

this is NOT an extended primary season – this is a "normal" primary season.

not really. it started far earlier

that part is true.

2005

Hey, you two! Go get a room!

http://babble.com/CS/blogs/politicalnanny/billandhillaryhammock.jpg

(Found while searching for McCain in the 70s.)

"In Columbus,MS & wondering how somebody who's in second place is offering the vice presidency to the person who's in first place. Vote Tues!"

^ obama's twitter

lol twitter. here's the write-up:

COLUMBUS, Miss -- Sen. Barack Obama delivered an animated rebuke today of suggestions from the Clintons in recent days that he could run as her vice president.

“Now first of all with all due respect, with all due respect," he said here during a town hall meeting. "I won twice as many states as Sen. Clinton. I won more of the popular vote than Sen. Clinton. I have more delegates than Sen. Clinton. So I don’t’ know how someone in second place can offer the vice presidency to someone in first place. If I was in second place I could understand but I am in first place right now.

He referenced comments from Bill Clinton in 1992 that his “most important criteria” for vice president was that person must be ready to be commander in chief.

“They have been spending the last two or three weeks” arguing that he is not ready to be commander in chief, Obama said.

“I don’t understand. If I am not ready, why do you think I would be such a great vice president?” Obama asked the crowd, which gave him a standing ovation during his defense. “I don’t understand.”

“You can’t say he is not ready on day one, then you want him to be your vice president,” Obama continued. “I just want everybody to absolutely clear: I am not running for vice president. I am running to be president of the United States of America.”

nice!

"eff off, Monster"

well done

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Geraldine Ferarro breaks it down for you:

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

UGH

It's been a very sexist media.

<i>It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her.</i>

There's something missing here

some media doesn't like her because why because it look sexist

Geraldine Ferraro is a cunt.

Some just don't like her.

she got this part right anyway. how unfair!!!

opposition to Hillary is either sexist or emotional, got it

I'll go with the first sentence but the rest is BUNKUM.

As a feminist I am very familiar with the racism v. sexism shell game where you make a feminist point to a lefty male and he opines race (or class) might be more important/more obvious a fight to him. Anecdotally speaking there's nobody I know, with poss exception of sister's trog of a husband, who'd point blank refuse to vote for a female presidential candidate. It's when she's HRC that people baulk; a reaction to an individual and not her gender!

i mean, i simply don't understand. is the implication that being black while running a national campaign is somehow a lucky advantage? "OH THANK GOD I'M A BLACK MAN, HOW LUCKY IS THAT?? NOW I CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAINST A WOMAN AND WIN, IT'S SO OBVIOUS." What grandma crazypanties is she wearing?

'uniquely hard on her'

though i have the noxious suspicion that "lucky" is more implied like "you're lucky to have done so well, black man, but you are a fluke and your success goes against the established order of things"

Michelle Obama already familiar with how 'lucky' she is.

My daughter was at the Columbus rally this morning. She was bummed that they ran out of Q&A time before they got to her question -- she wanted to know his position on the right to death with dignity/legalized suicide.

What grandma crazypanties is she wearing?

I haven't followed this thread for a week or so, but this made me LOL.

One note, tho: IF YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT, PLZ FIGHT BACK NOW, SEN. BARACK OBAMA.

she wanted to know his position on the right to death with dignity/legalized suicide.

in the last debate he singled his schiavo vote out as one of the things he regrets doing and that he no longer feels that congress had a right to intervene in this, so that might give you some idea.

One note, tho: IF YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT, PLZ FIGHT BACK NOW, SEN. BARACK OBAMA

Fighting Geraldine Ferraro is as much a waste of time as Reagan respondng to Mondale.

Yeah, he didn't need to respond when Gloria Steinem said basically the same thing a month ago.

Maybe, but the issue of assisted suicide is a very different matter from the issue of the appropriateness of Congress getting its nose into one patient's case. I think his Schiavo regrets were more about the latter and didn't address the former at all. xxpost

I didn't mean Obama should fight back against Ferraro or Steinem. I meant must start fighting back -- aggressively and now -- against HRC's comments and attacks.

?!? he voted for that schiavo bullshit?!

COLUMBUS, Miss -- Sen. Barack Obama delivered an animated rebuke today of suggestions from the Clintons in recent days that he could run as her vice president.

“Now first of all with all due respect, with all due respect," he said here during a town hall meeting. "I won twice as many states as Sen. Clinton. I won more of the popular vote than Sen. Clinton. I have more delegates than Sen. Clinton. So I don’t’ know how someone in second place can offer the vice presidency to someone in first place. If I was in second place I could understand but I am in first place right now.

He referenced comments from Bill Clinton in 1992 that his “most important criteria” for vice president was that person must be ready to be commander in chief.

“They have been spending the last two or three weeks” arguing that he is not ready to be commander in chief, Obama said.

“I don’t understand. If I am not ready, why do you think I would be such a great vice president?” Obama asked the crowd, which gave him a standing ovation during his defense. “I don’t understand.”

“You can’t say he is not ready on day one, then you want him to be your vice president,” Obama continued. “I just want everybody to absolutely clear: I am not running for vice president. I am running to be president of the United States of America.

He's taking a lot in terms of style and cadence from Malcolm X, FYI. Well done.

whole thing posted upthread yo

does anybody think this "mail-in do-over" proposal in FL and MI is actually a good idea? sounds pretty half-assed to me.

?!? he voted for that schiavo bullshit?!

actually, no, not that I can see. He regrets not actively trying to stop it from passing

(he went on vacation along with a bunch of other senators)

*whew*

whole thing posted upthread yo

yeah i copied it

does anybody think this "mail-in do-over" proposal in FL and MI is actually a good idea? sounds pretty half-assed to me.

Supported (in at least a lukewarm way) by Gov. Crist, right? Tells you who McCain would rather face in the GE.

i think if I lived in those states I'd be pissed that my vote didn't count, so yeah, they should probably do something. both candidates have money and time to campaign there and I dont' think the outcome in either state would be significantly different from where it would have been had they done their primaries at the 'appropriate' time. I don't know who would win in either one, florida is obviously a freak anomaly state that never makes any sense to me. even if clinton wins both, i doubt it will be by big enough margins to eradicate obama's lead. he will have a lead into the convention.

if McCain chose Crist as veep I wouldn't be too disappointed. The guy is an unrepentant moderate, maybe a discreet homosexual, and inoffensive.

yeah mccain is part of the 'everything' 9/11 changed i think

btw guise

With that middle name, I don't know, if he gets elected you know the Middle Easterners are gonna be dancing in the streets

:( :( :( not you too mom arghhhhhhhhhhh :( :( :(

home for a couple days at spring break w/gf, sister, mom & mom. hilary signs everywhere and the anti-o smears flowing like wine guhhhhhhhhh

do what that guy did upthread and stab someone

if McCain chose Crist as veep I wouldn't be too disappointed. The guy is an unrepentant moderate, maybe a discreet homosexual, and inoffensive.

All true. But to the extent you think Florida is in play in the GE -- and Florida is clearly a state the GOP really, really wants (probably needs) to win -- McCain choosing Crist will help him tremendously here.

FWIW, I think Florida is GOP country in the GE.

Yeah, as far as Republican governors go, it could be a lot worse than Crist (I even voted for him in the last election...the Dem option, Jim Davis, was a douchebag).

xxxx-post

OTOH, Crist isn't going to satisfy the GOP's hard-right wing. If McCain thinks he's got Florida in the "win" column, he may look elsewhere.

http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/girl-in-clintons-3am-ad-supports-obama/20080310083109990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

lol teh children have spoken