Yeah, that's going to go down real well...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)
Cue Annie Potts: "Yeah, it's a sign, alright; 'Goin' Out of Business.'"
and certain loons believe that the rest of the world doesn't care.
perhaps this site is true: http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)
Well, the biggest problem was that the lake would drain in, but now that everything is equalized, the only real problem is that it'll take longer to repair the levees and then pump out the water.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)
One bit of good news is that New Orleans doesn't appear to face a threat of being surrounded by even more water than it has outside its levees right now. By yesterday, the water level in the Mississippi had dropped about 11 feet since Monday, as the storm surge that had pushed upriver from the Gulf of Mexico, temporarily reversing the river's course, receded. Yesterday, the water level in the stretch of river that runs through the city was down to a level of about 4.28 feet, well below the flood level of 17 feet and low even under normal circumstances, hydrology experts said...
The rain that Katrina dumped on Louisiana and Mississippi on Monday won't affect the river's water levels because many of the rivers in the area flow directly into the Gulf. Rain that Katrina deposits in Tennessee and farther north isn't likely to reach New Orleans for at least two weeks, Mr. Richards said.
Parts of Kentucky, Ohio, and other areas where Katrina was headed have been unusually dry, meaning less runoff from the storm, Mr. Richards said.
Likewise, the water in Lake Pontchartrain isn't likely to rise, said Richard Keim, assistant professor at the School of Renewable Natural Resources at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge. The fresh water source that feeds it is only about as large as the lake itself, so while much rain has fallen in the area, not much will end up in the lake, says Mr. Keim. The larger question is when the storm surge will recede into the Gulf, the lake's other water source. Lake Pontchartrain has only two narrow, winding outlets to the Gulf, so it is unclear how long it will take them to empty.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)
<HIPPIEFUCK>hahaha, only during emergencies though!<HIPPIEFUCK>
― donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)
woah woah woah...people...slow down...let's not do anything rash....jeez you'd think a major american city had just slid into the ocean...oh wait.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)
The frightening prediction came as Army engineers struggled to plug New Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while authorities drew up plans to move some 25,000 storm refugees out of the city to Houston in a huge bus convoy and all but abandon flooded-out New Orleans.
Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no choice but to clear out.
"The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no power. It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic essentials."
The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country converged on the devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief operation.
The death toll from Hurricane Katrina has reached at least 110 in Mississippi alone. But Louisiana has put aside the counting of the dead to concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on rooftops and in attics.
A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable for weeks or months.
"We are looking at 12 to 16 weeks before people can come in," Nagin said on ABC's "Good Morning America, "and the other issue that's concerning me is we have dead bodies in the water. At some point in time the dead bodies are going to start to create a serious disease issue."
With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores, authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of New Orlean's storm refugees — most of them taking shelter in the dank and sweltering Superdome — to the Astrodome in Houston in a vast exodus by bus.
Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.
The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 3,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.
Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a barge to plug the 500-foot hole.
"The challenge is an engineering nightmare," the governor said on ABC's "Good Morning America."
As New Orleans descended deeper into chaos, hundreds of people wandered aimlessly up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull residents out of flooded neighborhoods.
On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.
In one east New orleans neighborhood, refugees were being loaded onto the backs of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to ferry sick and elderly residents.
Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said they were being shot at overnight.
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)
jesus christ, fuck
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)
Urine isn't a problem. It is, for the most part, fairly sterile. You can actually drink it if you absolutely had to.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)
― Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)
Police fought a losing battle to stop widespread looting and the sweltering city of 480,000 had no drinkable water and no electricity. SHARKS WERE REPORTED SWIMMING IN THE STREETS and even the Superdome – a shelter of last resort for 20,000 people – was at risk from the rising waters.
― JD from CDepot, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)
Wednesday August 31, 2005
Mark SchleifsteinStaff writer
The catastrophic flooding that filled the bowl that is New Orleans on Monday and Tuesday will only get worse over the next few days because rainfall from Hurricane Katrina continues to flow into Lake Pontchartrain from north shore rivers and streams, and east winds and a 17.5-foot storm crest on the Pearl River block the outflow water through the Rigolets and Chef Menteur Pass.
The lake is normally 1 foot above sea level, while the city of New Orleans is an average of 6 feet below sea level. But a combination of storm surge and rainfall from Katrina have raised the lake's surface to 6 feet above sea level, or more.
All of that water moving from the lake has found several holes in the lake's banks - all pouring into New Orleans. Water that crossed St. Charles Parish in an area where the lakefront levee has not yet been completed, and that backed up from the lake in Jefferson Parish canals, is funneling into Kenner and Metairie.
A 500-yard and growing breach in the eastern wall of the 17th Street Canal separating New Orleans from Metairie is pouring hundreds of thousands of gallons of lake water per second into the New Orleans area. Water also is flowing through two more levee breaches along the Industrial Canal, which created a Hurricane Betsy-on-steroids flood in the Lower 9th Ward on Monday that is now spreading south into the French Quarter and other parts of the city.
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin warned Tuesday evening that an attempt to plug the holes in the 17th Street Canal had failed, and the floodwaters were expected to continue to rise rapidly throughout the night. Eventually, Nagin said, the water could reach as high as 3 feet above sea level, meaning it could rise to 12 to 15 feet high in some parts of the city.
Louisiana State University Hurricane Center researcher Ivor van Heerden warned that Nagin's estimates could be too low because the lake water won't fall quickly during the next few days.
"We don't have the weather conditions to drive the water out of Lake Pontchartrain, and at the same time, all the rivers on the north shore are in flood," he said. "That water is just going to keep rising in the city until it's equal to the level of the lake.
"Unless they can use sandbags to compartmentalize the flooded areas, the water in the city will rise everywhere to the same level as the lake."
This isn't the first time that the 17th Street Canal has proved to be a hurricane-flooding Achilles heel. Following a 1947 hurricane that made a direct hit on New Orleans and Metairie, officials were unable to clear floodwaters from Metairie through the canal for two weeks.
Sewage from a treatment plant that stagnated in the canal created enough sulfuric acid fumes that nearby homes in Lakeview painted with lead-based paint turned black.
The slow-motion flooding of the south shore mirrors a similar flooding event during Tropical Storm Isidore, when weather conditions blocked water from leaving the lake as heavy rainfall pushed its surface higher and higher, causing extensive flooding in low-lying areas of Slidell a day after the storm had passed by.
Van Heerden said water flowing through New Orleans. back door used a weakness that he and many others have been concerned about for years: a V-shaped funnel formed by the joining of the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet and the Inner Harbor Navigation Channel. Storm surge as high as 18 feet pushed through the funnel, into the Industrial Canal and on to the lake. It's that surge water that is thought to have caused breaks in the Industrial Canal levees breaks that lake water is now flowing through into the 9th Ward.
Water entering that funnel also is thought to have topped levees surrounding Chalmette and eastern New Orleans, causing extensive flooding in both places.
Van Heerden said that if there's a silver lining to this disastrous event, it's that the eye of Katrina didn't go directly over or to the west of the city. If that had happened, the storm surge could have been much higher and would have directly topped levees all along the lake and much more rapidly filled the bowl, which would have meant an even higher death toll than is anticipated from this slow-moving event, he said.
This flood event contains many of the features used by federal, state and local planners early this year to begin shaping what was supposed to be a catastrophe recovery plan for New Orleans: failed pumping stations, breached levees, rooftop rescues, makeshift medical triage zones.
In drawing the plan, officials assumed that it would take several days to a week before enough manpower and equipment could be staged to deal with many of the problems they're facing now, such as how to close the breach in the 17th Street Canal.
There, the problem is how to close the hole quickly. Strategies suggested during tabletop exercises indicated it could take several days to position barges and cranes in place to more permanently fill such a gap, assuming it was part of the worst-case, storm-surge-driven flooding scenario.
The slow-motion reality of the collapsing canal wall has the state Department of Transportation and Development and the Army Corps of Engineers working into the night to plug the breach and try to stem the flooding in Lakeview, West End, Bucktown and large swaths of East Jefferson.
A convoy of trucks carrying 108 15,000-pound concrete barriers - like those used as highway construction dividers - was en route to the site Tuesday night, said Mark Lambert, chief spokesman for the agency. Helicopters will lift the barriers above the hole and drop them in place, even as another 50 sandbags, each weighing 3,000 pounds, are also being maneuvered into place.
"That's 800 tons of concrete," Lambert said. .What we are trying to do is just stop the water from going into the city."
More difficult will be the overtopping of levees along the Industrial Canal caused by the high lake water flowing in. Lambert didn't say how the state would address that problem.
The problems caused by floodwaters will only get worse, according to van Heerden and the earlier tabletop exercises. For one, if the water in the city does rise to the height of levees along the lakefront, it may be difficult to open floodgates designed to keep the lake out that would now be needed to allow the lake to leave. Van Heerden said the rising floodwaters also would cause major pollution problems in coming days, as they float dozens of fuel and chemical storage tanks off their fittings, severing pipelines and allowing the material to seep into the floodwaters.
"In our surveys of the parish, a lot of the storage tanks we looked at weren't bolted down with big bolts," he said. "They rely on gravity to hold them down. If an industrial property is 5 feet below sea level and the water gets to 5 feet above sea level, that's 10 feet of water, and I'm certain many we looked at will float free.
"You'll see a lot of highly volatile stuff on the surface, and one spark and we'll have a major fire," he said.
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)
http://old.mises.org:88/NO2
The feed from Interdictor's 11th floor hideaway on Poyadras St., on the corners of Camp and St. Charles. On a ten second delay, apparently.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)
This is like some end-of-days, Tom Clancy/Stephen King shit.
Events like this make it clear how tenuous a toehold the concept of civilization” really has, huh?
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)
― stckhlm cnd (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)
― Note Sticky, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)
Yes. Matter of fact, all the kooks have. Alex Jones is calling the Superdome a concentration camp, while christian kooks are claiming that the hurricane was revenge for gambling, prostitution, homosexuality, and NO's abortion clinics.
― Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)
― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)
― Sticky NOtes, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)
3:18 P.M. - WWL-TV's Thanh Truong reports the water from the Lake is rising to meet with the River in Uptown.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)
3:10 P.M. - (AP) President Bush flew overhead in Air Force One to assess the damage in Southeast Louisana and the Gulfport-area of Mississippi.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)
"Daddy, the top came off."
― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)
Dude sure does like lookin' out airplane windows.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)
― donut gon' nut (donut), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)
expo
― Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)
Did you hear about the man in Queens who had his gas station torn down by the head company because he refused to raise prices? He said it was nonsense and that there was no reason to raise prices because gas was still the same price. Within 2 weeks, officials came to Queens and took his gas station apart!
― Stickynotes, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/31/0836/62623
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
The stories are coming in a rush and nearly all of them are miserable.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)
At least one person is comparing the evacuation of New Orleans to the situation in Gaza.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)
Meanwhile:
Searching for Jesus' finger
Wednesday, 2:10 p.m.
In the garden behind St. Louis Cathedral on Royal Street lies an incredible tangle of zig-zagging broken tree trunks and branches, mixed with smashed wrought iron fences.
But right in the middle, a statue of Jesus is still standing, unscathed by the storm, save for the left thumb and index finger, which are missing.
The missing digits immediately set off speculation of divine intervention.
New Orleans has a long history praying to saints for guidance and protection in times of great peril. In fact it was Our Lady of Prompt Succor who was said to be responsible for saving the Ursulines Convent in the French Quarter from a raging fire that consumed the rest of the city centuries ago.
Since then, New Orlenians have prayed to the saint for protection from natural disasters. On Saturday, Archbishop Alfred Hughes read a prayer over the radio asking for Our Lady's intervention to spare the city a direct hit by Hurricane Katrina.
Many in the Quarter are now saying it was the hand of Jesus, the missing digits to be precise, that flicked the hurricane east just a little to keep the city from suffering a direct blow.
And the search is one for those missing fingers.
Shortly after Katrina passed, several men went to Robert Buras, who owns the Royal Street Grocery and told him they know who has the finger. Buras said he'd give them all the water and beer they need if they bring him the finger.
They told him they'd find it and asked to be paid upfront. But Buras told them he wouldn't take it on credit
"I'm going to find Jesus' finger,'' Buras said. ''I've got a lead on it.''
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)