C/D LENA DUNHAM (THE DEFINITIVE POLL)

sheesh, NYer profile yet another example of how heteronormative society has deemed some parenting strategies as "normal" and others harmful

Simmons’s first show opened at Artists Space in January, 1979. ... Barbara Gladstone and Max Protetch were both interested in showing Simmons’s work, but when she heard that Helene Winer was leaving Artists Space to start her own gallery she decided that was where she wanted to be. Winer opened Metro Pictures in 1980

There was actually an article in the most recent n+1 about Artists Space in 1979, and an exhibition (maybe the one right after Lena's mom's) by a white artist of abstract works called "The N*****r Drawings" (the actual word).

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-20/essays/color-theory/

It's funny - I don't think the right-wing press has weighed in on parenting and childhood in a long time, when in the Moral Majority era they did it all of the time. Too busy in the Middle East? If they think today's young adults were raised in a too-permissive environment, they should be clearer about it. Or would that be an admission of failure?

least surprising headline

Lena Dunham: Clinton coverage 'rabidly sexist'

"The media is not fair to my candidate" is the most grating kind of political commentary in general.

Oh huh, Lena Dunham is trending again, surely it's not because she said something inappropriately glib and self-centered about a disturbing situation, she's learn her les...

you're a professional writer, literally how do you keep fucking up this much pic.twitter.com/gpQCPu9vmr

— Natalie Shure (@nataliesurely) October 10, 2017

but surely her apology will strike the right ton..

I'm sorry I missed the mark. I won't try to explain myself but simply say I hope you feel the love from me and many fellow assault survivors

— Lena Dunham (@lenadunham) October 10, 2017

actually whatever her apology isn't really that bad, I think I misread it the first time

Lena Dunham is the only person I'm aware of that's blocked me on Twitter. It's funny because I'm more of a fan of hers than many, but when she tweeted a photo of her book Is It Evil Not To Be Sure?, I couldn't stop myself from immediately responding "Is it wicked not to care?"
A few seconds later, I was blocked.

2018 is good pic.twitter.com/yCx7mbCYyX

— Leah Finnegan (@leahfinnegan) January 10, 2018

Looks like JACK ANTONOFF is more like ANTON JACKINOFF now, amirite

huh someone in Western culture should invent some kind of 'eternity' ring as a symbol of neverending love or sth

these poll results!

these poll results!

― #TeamHailing (imago), Wednesday, January 10, 2018 5:52 PM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao true

voted classic, at the time girls was still s1 only... i thought she was being funny ;_;

yeah i'm sure people used to think you were being funny

they're not thinking it now

More like Lena dudham

i really enjoyed the first few seasons of Girls. it felt like real life. like the best shows it was great just hanging out w these characters. i think a lot of modern writers try to impress you (or their teachers/other writers) so much w a pseudo intellectual meta twist whereas her writing felt like directly speaking to the audience on a more natural level. it is more open/honest/willing to make mistakes so it feels more real. haven't seen much of her work besides Girls tho.

i think she means well, and she tries to do the right thing. she actually brought up Weinstein to the Clinton campaign years before the news was printing money off those stories. but the game is rigged and one of these days everyone messes up.

GIRLS was honestly mostly very good save for most of the final season and a decent chunk of the second. LD as a person = reliably dud.

http://deadline.com/2018/02/jennifer-garner-star-lena-dunham-comedy-camping-hbo-1202281967/

Adam B generally otm, it was a funny show. With the caveat that I don't think LD realized that all the regular characters were dreadful human beings.

I like what I’ve seen of Girls, much more than Tiny Furniture. Her public statements make me cringe sometimes, just the corny earnestness.

The volume of hate she inspires is weird and worthy of study possibly. Like people pretending her writing in her memoir about playing doctor as a kid was confessing to child molestation. Also that thing last year where people had this weird conspiracy theory about her dog was peak example of that phenomenon. More than “privilege” “nepotism” etc the hate is ultimately about the fact she’s out in public and people have to think about/look at someone they don’t think is attractive.

lmfao at those 2012 ass results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

xp, obv
^ otm

The hate has always seemed like some junior high thing where the cool (or wanna be cool) kids decide to pick on a kid and everyone goes along with it to not be in the "out" group.

I don't think that's true. I think in 2012 that might've been the case, but in the years since she's become the caricature that so many people made her out to be in 2012. "GIRLS is a critique & satire of something that it also is" i think someone said this somewhere here on ilx. or somewhere else idk. it's otm

Even if it is, the personal level of the hate (they're not just hating Girls) is bizarre.

And who's to say she didn't know her characters were somewhat reprehensible? (Have we learned nothing from Seinfeld?)

I'll admit many of her public comments are tone-deaf at best.

And who's to say she didn't know her characters were somewhat reprehensible?

I just said that it was satire.

Then what's the problem?

I think she has blindspots

I on the other hand am all-seeing Janus

Blindspots sometimes provide a unique/interesting perspective.

lena dunham has said a lot of embarrassing things but i sorta feel like there are probably a lot of celebrities who aren't particularly better or more enlightened people than her but whose online/public presences are much more professionally managed by the ppl who write their tweets and facebook posts and "memoirs" for them.

GIRLS is a critique & satire of something that it also is" i think someone said this somewhere here on ilx. or somewhere else idk. it's otm

― flappy bird, Friday, March 9, 2018 6:12 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think that this is more or less par for the course wrt to comedies about terrible people though, e.g. Ricky Gervais turning out to basically be David Brent in real life, or Steve Coogan being terrible in a lot of Alan Partridge-esque ways, or Woody Allen's self-involved narcissists. I agree that blindspots can provide an interesting perspective - I think character comedies where the author is fully separated from the thing/person they are satirising are often not as good, I think they tend to feel two-dimensional when the author isn't complicit to some extent?

I think people are ungenerous with the way they read the various controversial things she says, a lot of it feels like it has this self-mocking subtext where she knows what she's saying sounds self-absorbed or corny or whatever, like that style of tweeting where millenials are like "I'm a pathetic fucking idiot who has failed at everything lol" but people don't see or won't acknowledge the subtext in her case and take it completely straight in a way they wouldn't with other comedians? not that irony and self-deprecation are a get out of jail free card for bad opinions, but I do think she gets judged more harshly than her peers

The volume of hate she inspires is weird and worthy of study possibly. Like people pretending her writing in her memoir about playing doctor as a kid was confessing to child molestation. Also that thing last year where people had this weird conspiracy theory about her dog was peak example of that phenomenon. More than “privilege” “nepotism” etc the hate is ultimately about the fact she’s out in public and people have to think about/look at someone they don’t think is attractive.

this is v otm

as is soref

Baffled by the hate for the actual work, Lady Bird reminded me so much of the Dunham-written, Dunham-directed episode of GIRLS in Season 1 where she visits home (The Return) that it's untrue. Same damn mood, same damn feels, could be the same damn thing if you squint. I like both, but Gerwig's apparently some kind of genius with a 99/100 rating on Rotten Tomatoes and co-wrote an ilx film of the year, while Dunham gets the snarking and the brickbats. Definitely something massively 'up' there.

And who's to say she didn't know her characters were somewhat reprehensible?

I'd be fine with "somewhat." I'm talking about the Aristotelian ideal of reprehensible.

More than “privilege” “nepotism” etc the hate is ultimately about the fact she’s out in public and people have to think about/look at someone they don’t think is attractive.

this is def a factor but also she's said a LOT of dumbass stuff! like yeah the hate is outsized compared to most celebs, but also most celebs don't write about how they wished they'd had an abortion or w/ever

is she still the voice of her generation tho?

NP otm... I never understood people being so upset by her body / nudity in Girls. She looks normal

And yea Simon that’s a great example of a blindspot I mentioned, i mean basically she says what rich bougie liberals living in Manhattan bubbles say in private. Idc though. she’s cool. never understood the unattractive thing

I'm assuming you don't literally mean "I don't get the ways in which she offends against the general models of which women get to be stars".

I agree that she does herself no favours, but yeah she's become the standard-bearer of snowflake generation and all the faults of the younger liberal generation, and being a lippy broad who offends against etc etc is a big part of that.

I'm going to get shouted at by Morbius if I suggest that's part of what HRC sees in her, aren't I?

I'm assuming you don't literally mean "I don't get the ways in which she offends against the general models of which women get to be stars".

No I do mean that. It perplexes me bc she’s obviously not the first famous actress that’s not stick thin. Is it really the combo of nudity & millennial candor? tsk tsk.

Dude come on.

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/04/11/girls-posters/11-girls-posters-006.nocrop.w710.h2147483647.2x.jpg

it's bc her persona is about being entitled, vapid, privileged + self-absorbed

yes

xp AF - i don't get it, what is it about that image?

I think's he's debunking the "she's unattractive" trope by showing she's attractive by any standard, though I think the makeup and airbrushing that surely went into all four of their faces diminishes that argument.

yea idg tho i just said i never understood why so many people found her unattractive to the point where it made them angry.

I think it's the nudity with a pudgy body that offends people. And the willingness to look unattractive while nude that make people think she has some weird obsession or is an attention-seeker.