Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

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I don't mind the americaness being awful as it makes up for innumerable crimes against englishness perpetrated by the american media.

Ed, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 11:56 (sixteen years ago) link

sitcom butlers

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link

It built a fabulous premise (human Dalek) and completely flubbed it. That entire second episode was as bad and pointless as the second episode of the Sontaran one.

Someone on this production feels the need to satisfy the Hollywood-obsessed contingent of the audience and I really wish they'd stop.

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Someone on this production feels the need to satisfy the Hollywood-obsessed contingent of the audience wants to sell DVDs overseas and I really wish they'd stop.

fixed

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Martha debut, Shakespeare one and traffic jammy-one all pretty good, I thought. Daleks in NY episode also fun, save for the now-traditional rubbish ending.

I think, perhaps, after the third straight season of not being as good as the Ecclestone season, my expectations have finally changed, and I'm enjoying the show as a fun piece of nonsense. I mean, it's never terribly good, but I always look forward to watching it.

(That's with the proviso that Human Nature and Blink were probably show highlights, from any era.)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link

So far, Season 2 had the strongest ending, which you never would have convinced me as being in the realm of possibility after seeing "The Idiot's Lantern" and assuming the rest of the season was as mind-bogglingly awful as that episode.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

The last two eps of season three were more-or-less unwatchable, I thought.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I disagree, especially regarding the penultimate episode. It was the weakest season ending to date, though.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Whoever first used the phrase "Tinkerbell Jesus Doctor" to describe the end of season 3 ruined myability to enjoy it on rewatching, having rather liked it first time round.

James Morrison, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 00:59 (sixteen years ago) link

No Daleks this year! I've only just realised. Yes I know they'll show up at some point.

Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 02:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Penultimate episode = cracking, apart from the Master dancing bit. Jacobi regenerates into Simm = cracking. Really bleak aftermath bit of final episode = great. Ancient Doctor = wank. Resolution = even more wank.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 08:40 (sixteen years ago) link

But also the canonised Ark In Space resolution "oh look there was a vestige of humanity in him all along" = also wank so shite endings apparently par the course with Who. I haven't seen any story that beats Blink as far as perfectly structured resolutions go.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 08:41 (sixteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7400268.stm

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I kind of have to say, though, that if you don't like hippie love-in bullshit, most Doctor Who resolutions are going to drive you up the wall.

For all of its other flaws, "Warriors of the Deep" has one of the best resolutions in the entire series.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link

x-post

Instant unpopularity! Well done, BBC.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Thoroughly enjoyed that. Next week's looks wonderfully weird, shades of Borges and all.

chap, Saturday, 17 May 2008 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Next week's looks wonderfully weird

Docter Who and the Eurovision Song Contest.

DavidM, Saturday, 17 May 2008 19:35 (sixteen years ago) link

"Tinkerbell Jesus Doctor"

do you mean "flying magic space jesus"?

Alan, Saturday, 17 May 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I enjoyed this one, a lot.

kingfish, Saturday, 17 May 2008 23:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh yes, that was rather good. Don't know what order they were shot in, but that was the best chemistry between the Doctor and Donna yet. I love them! Like Ailsa, I can feel smug for being a Tate supporter from the off.

I guessed the "toilet" thing too!

Fenella Woolgar was marvellous as Christie. And I liked the music for once. And the wavy dissolves. It was a blast.

Alba, Sunday, 18 May 2008 09:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Next week's "How can a shadow be infected?" [bristles with excitement]

Alba, Sunday, 18 May 2008 09:47 (sixteen years ago) link

It appears to have been one of the frst, i not the actual first, to have been filmed.

I was disappointed watching it, but after I immediately wanted to watch it again. The first half seemed overly hasty and a few things like the reveal of the Unicorn (ie the sudden gor blimey guv'nor accent) and the lengthy bit of slapstick business I didn't much like, and it was too obviously going to be the vicar who dunnit.
But any of the moments with Agatha or Donna were great. And Gordon Henry Jago!

DavidM, Sunday, 18 May 2008 10:09 (sixteen years ago) link

damn keyboard

DavidM, Sunday, 18 May 2008 10:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Good ep, finally. Wasp thing a bit jarring, but otherwise great.

Stay out of the shadows?! God I love Moffat.

Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 18 May 2008 11:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought that one was absolutely terrific, best in the series so far. Which considering it was by the guy who wrote The Shakespeare Code is saying something. I loved how the whole Unicorn thing was a massive red herring.

Also, there is nothing scarier than a giant wasp. Except an enormous creepy empty library with shadows that kill people. There's no way the next couple won't be awesome.

Matt DC, Sunday, 18 May 2008 14:58 (sixteen years ago) link

it could've been scarier/more exciting somehow but it was a good romp

blueski, Sunday, 18 May 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, a good romp. Even the dodgy bits (like the sudden gor-blimey accent) seemed like pretty accurate piss-takes of the way alleged "genius" Christie wrote.

James Morrison, Monday, 19 May 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Also liked...

"It says 'maiden'."
"MAIDEN!" (Christie jumps in startlement) "What does that mean?"

and the detox bit was fun.

James Morrison, Monday, 19 May 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I liked all the references to Christie book titles, not to mention the Lady Chatterley's Lover joke near the end. The end was slightly spoiled by the rather rubbish "yes we really are in Harrogate, honest" scene.

Was slightly disappeointed by the lack of references to archaeology - although, yes, I know it was her second husband who was the famous archaeologist - but am looking forward to next week's archaeologists in a library! Archaeologists! In a library! How could it possible go wrong?

Forest Pines Mk2, Monday, 19 May 2008 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link

it's not on til the Saturday after next but apparently there's a special preview of the rest of the series (as they did last year) just befoer EuroViz

blueski, Monday, 19 May 2008 13:13 (sixteen years ago) link

also i dunno where The Stolen Earth title came from for the penultimate episode but this episode's title seems to be unconfirmed still with the only clues being it's three words and one of those words is a planet (but not necess Earth). hmm.

blueski, Monday, 19 May 2008 13:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, good - because if it was on this Saturday, I'd miss it anyway.

Forest Pines Mk2, Monday, 19 May 2008 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

it's three words and one of those words is a planet (but not necess Earth)

Pff, Skaro then.

JimD, Monday, 19 May 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe BARCELONA

blueski, Monday, 19 May 2008 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

London

Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 19 May 2008 19:12 (sixteen years ago) link

the Doctor treats Davros to a slap up feed at Planet Hollywood

blueski, Monday, 19 May 2008 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link

If Davros does show up, I'm kind of excited about the inevitable Daleks.

chap, Monday, 19 May 2008 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Have they ever explained how the Time War and (virtually) destroying the Daleks throughout all of time is supposed to have worked?

Matt DC, Monday, 19 May 2008 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

it's three words and one of those words is a planet (but not necess Earth)

Best of all possible options would be Gallifrey, but yeah of course it's Earth.

Matt DC, Monday, 19 May 2008 19:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Time War and (virtually) destroying the Daleks throughout all of time is supposed to have worked?

Best to keep it mysterious I reckon, any detailed explanation is bound to be poppycock (unless they gave Moffat like five years to work on it).

chap, Monday, 19 May 2008 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link

hurrah stolen planets again

Alan, Monday, 19 May 2008 21:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Oooh, Davros could redeem it.

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 19 May 2008 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Finally finished "Genesis of the Daleks." Peter Miles is still around and did quite a great job, why not have him pop up at some point?

kingfish, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Stephen Hawking as Davros could redeem it.

I started watching Mawdryn Undead last night. Dual timelines! Stuff happening in the past affecting stuff happening now! It's great! Don't know why Who doesn't do more of that kind of thing really.

JimD, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Blink did that very well, but yeah definitely need more of it.

Am I right in thinking subsequent old and new stories have trampled over the continuity for Genesis somewhat?

(Genesis is FAR AND AWAY the best thing in that series incidentally, unless Revenge of the Cybermen gets radically better in the second half).

Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 08:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Not really.

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 08:58 (sixteen years ago) link

RTD has claimed the events of Genesis constitue the very first act of the time war.

JimD, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 09:02 (sixteen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_War_(Doctor_Who)

JimD, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 09:23 (sixteen years ago) link

It's been ERASED FROM EXISTENCE!

Matt DC, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 09:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmm.

Time War

JimD, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 09:59 (sixteen years ago) link


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