matt levine c/d
― just sayin, Friday, 17 October 2014 04:41 (nine years ago) link
nailed it
https://medium.com/absurdist/the-bible-written-in-new-york-city-blog-voice-d8aa8341e081#.86blr6rat
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Friday, 20 November 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
a very reasonable take on the oregon clowns that opens five consecutive paragraphs with
Still, hang on.All together now:Here is the thing.This, my good buddies,Here is what this is:
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 00:54 (eight years ago) link
Lol
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 01:07 (eight years ago) link
ironically it never explains what a jamoke really is in case saying jamoke a bunch makes you start feeling unsure you really know
― j., Tuesday, 5 January 2016 01:10 (eight years ago) link
i blame bill simmons for this one
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 01:21 (eight years ago) link
yah, the folksy sportswriter is a different but related tradition.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16929/16929-h/16929-h.htm
― big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 04:01 (eight years ago) link
can someone help me pin down why i can’t stand the tone of online writing (fka blogging) in 2019?
everything i read seems longwinded, didactic, lots of unnecessary exposition, humourless, lawerly argumentation
i don’t think it’s faux naif blogger voice anymore (can’t remember if it was a good thing or bad... i do miss the gawker voice)
― flopson, Friday, 7 June 2019 04:14 (four years ago) link
examples?
― Vape Store (crüt), Friday, 7 June 2019 05:02 (four years ago) link
lol imagine 'reading' in 2019 when you could be neurally juuling in augmented reality
― lumen (esby), Friday, 7 June 2019 05:27 (four years ago) link
i imagine it. sometimes it's good! sometimes not. (continues)
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 June 2019 07:07 (four years ago) link
i either write like that or write like fred rogers when i'm trying to discuss an issue
i go into dry and humorless mode mostly so i can avoid invective, which there's far too much of about. my sense of humor is often cruel. also, frankly, i seldom have the opportunity to try and make a reasoned argument, because there's seldom a fucking point to doing so these days. so it's a good way of keeping in practice so that my already dodgy reasoning skills don't atrophy completely.
i prefer writing in fred rogers mode but it's hard.
― Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Friday, 7 June 2019 09:16 (four years ago) link
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can someone help me pin down why i can’t stand the tone of online writing (fka blogging) in 2019?everything i read seems longwinded, didactic, lots of unnecessary exposition, humourless, lawerly argumentationi don’t think it’s faux naif blogger voice anymore (can’t remember if it was a good thing or bad... i do miss the gawker voice)
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 07:34 (four years ago) link
lol imagine 'reading' in 2019 when you could be neurally juuling in augmented reality― lumen (esby), Friday, June 7, 2019 1:27 AM (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lumen (esby), Friday, June 7, 2019 1:27 AM (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
exactly. the faux naif voice ultimately was a literary technique, even if it was one you hated. it was about leaving space for uncertainty, and in this way reflecting the experience of thinking rather than just instantly jumping into "takes."
the internet moves too fast now, and is too paranoid and full of ill will, for this kind of approach to survive. "buckle up twitter" maybe has some residual cutesy quality but it's still just full on attack mode.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 10:27 (four years ago) link
i mean, sometimes what was called the "faux naif bloggy voice" was used for being passive aggressive, but i think setting yourself up as an innocent contemplating the wild west of american culture is like a definitely literary trope. you can probably trace it to the "new journalists" of the 60s
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 10:33 (four years ago) link
The blustery faux-nihilism of ‘buckle up twitter’ and the bloggy faux-naïf voice of yore both strike me as two sides of the same coin - techniques by insecure writers of performing candor and ‘realness’ while actually keeping the reader at a safe distance
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
otm except i wouldn't say they're thinking about the reader at all, just the impenetrability of their own performance
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link
I mean, it’s hard to wade into the online world without some kind of rhetorical armor.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
I might be mixing up the faux naif voice with alt lit and the earlier new sincerity. The kind of like 2008 jezebel voice was insider-y and maybe a little different.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
Faux naif in my sense was schtick but a less abrasive one than like the screaming style of 2019 social media
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
OeO/BN otm
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
what are we calling ‘buckle up twitter’?
― flopson, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
what is "buckle up twitter"?!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link
A reference to the piece Fizzles posted. It's worth reading.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
Yeah the writer of that piece uses it as shorthand for that abrasive hyper-cynical takedown tone, as in "buckle up twitter, I'm about to explain to you why Ulysses is a literal pile of used toilet paper!"
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link
Strident and incurious and sarcasric and enraged
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link
Yeah I think that among the reasons why that tone is so insidious and popular is there’s a way that it weirdly flatters the readers ego bc it somehow makes you feel not like you are being shouted at, but that you are shouting along with the writer at some other third party
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
still don’t know if this is what flopson meant of if he was referring to the type of blogvoice that i used to write in because i can’t tell jokes and just want to be dull about what i think is right on x topic.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
xpost yeah you're very very quickly on the inside of a knowledge-wielding club, with a model for how to wield it. may be just an innate side effect of wider and more rapid access to information --- expertise still takes a long time and a lot of engagement, while something slightly longer than a sound bite (but short enough to be memetic in the original sense) can be launched into the world with considerable ease.
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
it’s hard to wade into the online world without some kind of rhetorical armor
otm. but one's rhetorical strategy can be as simple as Trump's sixth grade taunting, accompanied by an invincible resistance to shame or self-doubt.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
Twitticisms wear me out.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
that "buckle up twitter" piece was so great to read, that style of writing is like nails on a chalkboard for me
i do enjoy twitter threads when they're written by actual historians, scientists, et al, in a calm and non-strident and thoughtful way
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link
yeah it feels like there’s a tonal overlap between say sarah taber’s undoubtedly informed and informatively detailed agri-science threads and this style.feels like people will imitate that style even where hard knowledge isn’t present. that does suggest a problem with the original tone. i note in that sarah taber thread: “Notice anything in common there?” and “That's why we call these areas "scrub".” both of which have that manner. I think the “that’s why we” is significant. she means agri-science academics and professional agriculture inspectors. but the implication is “do you want to be a member of our knowledge club?”. that can be easily imitated without any knowledge. the whole tone is one of “schooling” people.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
What I also took away from that piece was the author’s dad seemed cool
― omar little, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:25 (four years ago) link
Those types of “schooling” Twitter threads as a means of replacing a true deep dive into a new area of knowledge are to me the equivalent of those dumb fast speed, “camera pointed down” cooking videos of garbage food hacks for millennials I always see on Facebook and elsewhere.
― omar little, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
i feel like a lot of people just aren't very good writers or particularly intelligent, and they don't compensate for these problems by doing a bunch of research. In the past, most of these people did not give the public the "benefit" of their voices. So, in a way, it's good, that more people have an outlet and can be heard. However, it's also like having to listen to the music of everyone who wants to be in a band.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
buckle up seems to be an extension of vox-explainer voice. imho its a "we are the voice of facts and reason" sorta reaction to the current administration w/ a smug "serious people" vibe.
― Hakim Bae's TMZ (s.clover), Friday, 5 July 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
What ever happened to ironic quotation marks? Bloggers in the 2000s used to, like Derrida, write "under erasure" all the time, distancing themselves from concepts they mistrusted, or that they felt had a suspect provenance, or whatever. I believe I used to do this, but stopped for some reason. Others seem to have done this too.
Do people have less of an appetite for deconstruction than they once did?
― treeship., Saturday, 13 March 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
I still do this. Old habits die hard.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 13 March 2021 20:30 (three years ago) link
Possibly replaced by Ironic Capitalization
― JRN, Sunday, 14 March 2021 03:28 (three years ago) link
ironic capitalization is Different imo
― class project pat (m bison), Sunday, 14 March 2021 14:14 (three years ago) link
Or maybe it isn’t! But that’s fine.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 14 March 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link
Also voted puttanesca And here’s why
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 14 March 2021 15:42 (three years ago) link
Omg lol that also contained my vote on the sauce poll. I did vote puttanesca but it ruined my joke
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 14 March 2021 15:43 (three years ago) link
idk i think it actually got even funnier
― this honking's on a bobo (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 14 March 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link
one weird trick to make your pasta bloggier... and that's okay
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 14 March 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
i think i decided at some point that all concepts are contentious so there was no point singling only some of them out with punctuation
― scamp til you're damp (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 March 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link
True, true, but sometimes you need 'em for that extra 'do u see???' oomph.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 14 March 2021 17:21 (three years ago) link
The schooling voice seems precisely designed as a mighty weapon capable of clearing great swathes of open but infertile space. This tone shall not be policed because this tone goes to 11. Seems natural after an age of equivocation shaming (resisting urge to add a question mark there) - sub-thought - typing on phones now, with increasingly aggressive autocorrect, is making affected type/speech an actual effort.
― Kim, Sunday, 14 March 2021 18:54 (three years ago) link