UK Watercooler 32: Fall Into The Meaning Gap

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just running them admittedly - I think I wouldn't be much use if I was *building* them and still didn't understand how they worked!

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

Why does all of Northampton seem to think I'm a scientist? I'm a MATHEMATICIAN. Not quite the same thing. I blame that Carruthers. He's been going around spreading malicious lies about me.

You wouldn't be the first to build Crystal Reports without knowing how they worked, though, Mark!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

I shall retaliate by sending him into SPACE:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/mar/22/spaceexploration.spacetechnology

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

Yawn.

That was my entire excitement for the day. Now everyone is back to ignoring me. I wonder if I can sneak out early to go to rehearsal.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

I think you can
s/rehearsal/dental appointment

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

My turn to go for a job interview this week. Everybody seems to be changing jobs.

Tom D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

Is yours by accident or design?

How early is the next question. I'm going to try for 5pm! Shocking!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

4.30

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

No, someone would definitely notice.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

Is yours by accident or design?

Accident. In the sense that I wasn't really looking very hard and somebody emailed me about it. Or is that design? Unintelligent design? Their website is a total mess that I could merrily spend ages licking into shape, they have content coming out of their ears, more than they know where to put... unfortunately, marketing is mentioned, and I phear the marketing

Tom D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I would call it an accident if you were made redundant and/or sacked from your last role, and you *have* to look for a new job. Or design if you decided to go do so. I think. I don't know. My head has just been rearranged.

Ummm. Could someone please try to explain or comment:

http://www.nigelhaversalliance.com

I can't figure out what on earth it's on about, but it is making me LOL rather suspiciously.

Is it a satire of Conservative websites? A fan site? I'm very confused. But still lolling.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

OK, now someone else wants to come over and be learned Crystal. OK...

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ha! Re-reading the job description for this position, I realise that what's actually being described is three different jobs! Typical.

Tom D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I'd rather have three jobs at once to do, than absolutely nothing at all, and be reduced to reading spoof websites.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

Which reminds me, the Connaught Square Squirrel Hunt should be announcing its meet card for 2008 soon!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

won't you need to borrow a dog?

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

No, everyone is allowed to chase Dillon/Dylan.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, so FreeLoveBabies are playing at the Cellar tomorrow. I want to goooo. But I cannot get back to London in time to get a decent night's sleep to be at work on Friday.

Employement sucks. :-(

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

Oh how did Diamanda Galas go?

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

... let me guess:

WAHHHHHHHHHHHH.... tinkle-bonk.... SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE... plink plink.... AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEE

Tom D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

I knew of the nigel havers site. I saw him asked about it on terry wogan on uk gold. The guys a bit of a fruitcake apparentlynot Nigel Havers)

btw Boris have a website now.
http://www.myspace.com/borisdronevil

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

Bastards are touring with Growing but no Scotland date. I wanna see Growing!

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

No, Diamanda was really good. Very emotionally intense, and perfect for the state that I was in.

Ha ha, I thought at first you were trying to say Boris Johnson had a MySpace. I've gone right off him since he started opening his mouth.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

Why has ILX gone all weird revival today?

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Usually they wait til bored fridays

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

What other messageboards are there on the web. That are, you know, multi-interest, not just about music?

I think it's time for me to find one. OK, wait, no, it was time for me to find one about 4 years ago. But better late than never.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

argh, the deluge has come, and me without my umbrella

Ed, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

Is it deluging down South? Oh no. I have an umbrella, but I also have a bass which does not fit under said umbrella.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

very much deluging in CR4

Ed, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

Which means it will be at SW16 in about 20 minutes.

Wait, I'm not going straight home! I'm going to Surrey Quays.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

Also... I have finally, after only, oh, 5 weeks here, discovered what my job is supposed to be!

If only I'd been talking to the techie all along instead of the useless admin type boss.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure theres millions of multi-interest message boards, but also millions of wankers on them far worse than ilx.
Only other boards i post on regularly are Doomed Forever(used to be Southern Lord til Greg pulled the plug) and VLV.
I do sometimes post on stonerrock.com and I Hate Music.
I dont think i could post on another general interest board. I ignored ILE for like 4/5 years when i 1st read ILM in 1999/2000.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

Does Ned still post on the cooler? I've hardly seen him post these past few months compared to usual.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

And where's Mitya ,emil.y, FP ,onimo , mark c and ailsa and anyone else I left out?

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

After this morning's events, I have just sent this letter to my agent:

Hi ::Kate's Agent::-

Just to let you know, my boss has rescinded use of the internet for all purposes, so if you need to contact me for the next week, please do so by phone on XXXXXXXXXXX rather than on email.

I have to say that I am rather relieved that this project is coming to an end. This is one of the most poorly managed projects I've worked on in my life. I've been left for days without any kind of adequate direction, let alone supervision. Attempts to get any kind of basic information about the project have been passed from department to department, and when I try to follow up my requests, I get told not to "pressure" people.

Despite all this, I have managed to come up with some workarounds and got the project done to the best of my abilities. (This is nothing short of a miracle, considering that I've developped some kind of reporting before the developers have actually even finalised the basic dataset of the database. I explained this to my supervisor as like trying to paint the walls of a house which has not been built yet.)

My manager has been absent for days or even weeks at a time, at crucial stages of the development. I've been left for days at a time, with no answers to requests, trying to stretch 20 minutes of work a day into eight hours - and then, to add insult to injury, criticised for accessing my personal email during that downtime. Information has been so lacking that it is only now, in week 5 of a 6 week project, that I've actually been given the full, relevent background to the project.

I realise that this email sounds like one long complaint. I can only compare this project to others I have worked on, and indeed, the project I worked on and completed in the course of being "lent" to another department within this agency.

I just wish to say that I have done as much as I can within a difficult situation.

Please tell me this wasn't a really stupid idea, but after weeks of complaining about having nothing to do, they've just told me I can't use the internet. I asked, directly "what am I supposed to do, read a book?" Which I am now going to do. Talk to you at lunchtime, I guess.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 27 March 2008 10:23 (eighteen years ago)

Sounds like fair comment to me

Tom D., Thursday, 27 March 2008 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

This is definitely not a stupid idea. (s)he is your agent, and if you can't tell this to them, who can you? They are meant to work for you. If the client has issues with your work and complains to the agent, they have some immediate comeback/defence that they can use in your defence. And in their defence too, as they will be defending the commission they earned by placing you. Naturally, if the client does not 'complain', the agent is not going to go in guns blazing as they will be more interested in keeping the door open for them to place more people (including yourself, your not wanting to go back notwithstanding...)

So, yeah.

Mark G, Thursday, 27 March 2008 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

I just had a job interview! But don't ask me how it went, because I always think interviews go well, even when they haven't.

Tom D., Thursday, 27 March 2008 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

I have just been offered a job! It's all go!

Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 27 March 2008 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

I was googled! I don't like that. No.

Tom D., Thursday, 27 March 2008 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

Sounds fair to me, Kate, and Mark G very much OTM.

Congrats GG.

I am starting to be capable of being busy at this job, which is pleasing.

Ed, Thursday, 27 March 2008 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

this pm I find out whether my 12 week notice period here is negotiable or not.

Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 27 March 2008 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

12 weeks!!!!!! WTF how is anyone ever meant to leave? Although if they are shedding people then maybe they will let you go sooner.

Ed, Thursday, 27 March 2008 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

It's usually negotiable.

Mark G, Thursday, 27 March 2008 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

I thought that was what mine was at my last job, but... well. It wasn't. It also protects you and guarantees you a big payout if they decide to make you redundant.

Congratulations on being offered the job, Mark, and congrats on a good interview, Tom!

Despite all that, it still took my boss over an hour to provide the materials needed for me to get on with my job. And then we had a fire drill. Tra la la.

I mainly sent the email to cover my arse if this client complains about me, and specify exactly *why* this project is running over. (Even though it isn't running over currently, all of my end has been done due to my workarounds.) It's also just insulting for them to insinuate that I'm somehow wasting *their* time when it's been obvious from Day 1 who is wasting time around here.

Anyway, I'm now doing my documentation. Well, actually, I'm not, I'm eating delicious adzuki bean curry and checking my email, obviously. I cannot wait for this job to end.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 27 March 2008 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

Oh! Oxford people, go and see FreeLoveBabies tonight, because I cannot:

Show Time: 27 Mar 2008 - 21:00
Venue: the cellar
Address: 3 George St
City: oxford
County: Midlands
Country: UK
Post Code: ox1 2at

Or maybe I will, just to spite my job, and call in sick tomorrow. Grrr.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 27 March 2008 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and here's the final finished version of that guitar I designed the last time I was in Northampton:

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v216/225/64/778760598/n778760598_2591976_711.jpg

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 27 March 2008 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

I got a genuine 1920's flapper film in the post on DVD, this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0018673/usercomments

Wow, what a blast - a cheap exploitation movie from 1928! (it's full of lingering shots of the flapper girl's bare back and bare legs, and at times appears to have been shot by a shoe fetishist!) It goes from being fluffy and frivolous to suddenly quite serious in the middle, when the flapper girl's straight-laced sister (who is always running her down) dumps her husband and runs off with another guy, and flapper girl tears into her, calling her a "cheap hypocrite". The end, a crazy scene on a burning rollercoaster (!) is beyond belief. The title cards are all in '20's jazz-speak. Oh man

Pashmina, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

Aw, that sounds great!

Bloody recruiters... for the first time I was quite happy to get a very obvious call from a headhunter while in the office, so I went off in the bathroom and took it. Don't give me access to email, then the headhunters ring me. That's what happens.

But he said he would email me specifications of this role, and of course, hasn't. Bah!

My agent is supposed to call me at 6. I don't know whether to hang around here to take the call or rush off somewhere else. I don't want to rock the boat if the client hasn't complained, but I do want to register my unhappiness if there's any hint of problems.

I have now completed 10 pages of documentation in the course of the afternoon, so they can't complain too much. Sent it back to them and told them to get on with reading it, then get back to me.

So the ball is back in their court now.

It is not good to have such an adversarial atmosphere between client and consultant. :-( For either me, the client, or the project. This makes me very unhappy.
:-((((

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, sod it. Or maybe on both:

http://www.portrait.gov.au/exhibit/cecil/_lib/img/large/exhib_8.jpg

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:52 (eighteen years ago)


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