The official thread for Lord Of The Rings - The Return Of The King [LOTR ROTK TROTK ROK] (NOW CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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He's bang-on (and i like LOTR). Every time one of these damn polls is done it comes top. It's become the Sgt.Peppers' of the book world.
Pride and Prejudice should have mashed it up good.

pete s, Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't talking about the poll results!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

And for Bombadil's sake Ned, hasn't LOTR had enough success/dissemination ? Why do you have to point out the few and ever-decreasing dissenting voices like they're heretics or something?
Will you only be happy when its completely taken over the earth?
Its huge succes and popularity is enough to quash any polite/anguished objections that might come from the world of acadaemia, you needn't worry there.

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pete s, Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Will you only be happy when its completely taken over the earth?

Hurrah! (Well, you have to start somewhere.) I'm more just surprised at the existence of a piece which functions as an attempt to fight a rear-guard action in the name of Edmund Wilson and modernism -- did literature stop for this guy in 1940 or something?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 January 2004 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I saw this at last. It was good-ish, but not great. It felt like alot had been cut, and it was only 3 hours and 5 minutes (before the credits start), so they could have put some more things in. Didn't quite get why Frodo goes off at the end, I assume he has post-traumatic stress, and is finding it hard to adjust to life back in the Shire. There was way too much hobbit stuff really.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 18 January 2004 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

oh! I get it now (thanks to my sister), it's coz of his injuries that he goes off.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 18 January 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

That combined with psychological scarring etc., yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 January 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
Saw this again recently. Most of any comments I might have had to make have been already been submitted by now, so just a few random thoughts.

Another magnificent achievement, which I would like to see again (in a more comfortable environment than the local multiplex - so roll on the DVD!)

Visuals: I had thought before that the Elves at Helms Deep were reminiscent of the fallen angels in Burne Jones' The Fall Of Lucifer , & I was struck by the same similarity as Faramir led his troops back to their doom at Osgiliath down the twisting street of Minas Tirith.

Then again, the Grey Havens are a dead ringer for any of a dozen of Turner's seaports (colour/light), take Dido Building Carthage as an example, with the final shot of the ship melting into the light even having echoes of Ulysses Deriding Polyphemus

Gripes: the second seeing confirmed to me the crassness of juxtaposing barmy old Denethor's "blood" (from a tomato?? wtf) stained lips & chin with those of the Orcs occupying Osgiliath who have presumably been feasting on a few Gondorian soldiers. I wish there had been some exposition of the reason WHY he had been driven bonkers.

I dislike the introduction of Frodo's rejection of Sam on the stairway up Cirith Ungol for the same reasons that I find the mistrust between Rohan & Gondor irksome - it doesn't ring true with my memory of the book.

Shelob, for some reason looked more male than female to me. I missed the dragging belly, but most of all I couldn't see any eyes on the beast! which I remember as being its central feature, expressing all the creature's emotions. It also seemed a little dangerous using the light of EƤrendil to ward off a descendant of Ungoliant, but I checked that chapter & if it is an inconsistency it is paralled in the book.

The compression of all the action sequences contrasted unfavourably with the too long drawn out Hobbit-hugging farewell shots.

Maybe my seat was too uncomfortable but I find the hobbit love scene music reminiscent of the old Hovis ad theme which makes me expect them to break out into a Yorkshire accent at any time.

That enough bollocks from me.

When's The Hobbit coming out?

Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 14 February 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Rights to The Hobbit exist in a weird limbo (read here for a quick summation).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 February 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
Good God, the last 15-20 minutes were some of the worst acting I've ever seen. The little twerp hero hobbit leering madly at his friends as he's whisked off to Atlantis - bleh.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

That's nice. Anyway, Tuesday will be a fine, fine day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 May 2004 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I could have bought it yesterday -- the local video store always ends up selling new releases a few day early.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 22 May 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Nice. I heard they busted some larger chain that was selling it in advance without apology, though I figured the smaller stores will do what they want. My local store is the Best Buy -- it's literally the nearest place that handles videos -- so I'll patiently wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Pre-ordered mine from Amazon cause it's so much cheaper than anywhere local -- they tend to mail things a day before street date (on the reasoning that you can't possibly receive them the day they're mailed, I assume), so I ought to have it Wednesday, wahoo. I've actually thought about scheduling a day off to allow for the almost inevitability of deciding to sit down and watch all three in a row, but I have a trip from Thursday to Monday during which I won't get anything done, so I don't know if I can afford that.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh. I know the feeling -- since I essentially did that with the Trilogy Tuesday showing when ROTK was released, this time around I'll just watch one a night starting Sunday. But when the extended version comes out...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

*having finished watching the DVD*

Yep, still brilliant. Now, the extended version. *sets some part of brain to somehow wait patiently for seven months*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't be arsed until november. sorry.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i am waiting to purchase anything until it all comes in ONE GIANT BOXED SET. until then i am more than satisfied with the regular & expanded editions that my aunt & uncle have. (they live less than a mile away & i babysit their kids often.)

Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
have we been excited about this yet?
http://www.chopsocky.webbed-out.co.uk/debateimages/covers/rotkset.jpg

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I know. I know. I wait. Patiently. Maybe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

people that buy these things make my head hurt

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

THEY COST PEANUTS

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It's true I'll have to put off the purchase of the next Peanuts book, maybe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU ARE BEING TEH RIPPED OFF

I BLAME GORGE LUCAZ

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

You shatter my crystal palace. How can you be so cruel?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

ned i am on the INSIDE NOW, through the looking glass

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 23 September 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

For some reason I imagine you as Dr. Manhattan and me as Ozymandias.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

does this mean i get to be blue and have an enormous wang?

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

If that works for you, sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 September 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it too early to pre-order at Amazon?

::waiting anxiously for the multi-hour orgy to come when all three extended editions are in my hot hands::

Hey Jude, Friday, 24 September 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

FWIW: the 4DVD sets usually sell for around $25 which is not a huge investment for a 4DVD set.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 September 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope this version improves the film: the theatrical version felt too chopped up and chaotic to enjoy.

Richard K (Richard K), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

that seems to be almost a guarantee after the first two director's cuts.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 September 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm excitedly hammering out the guidelines for a Full Extended Edition Lord Of the Rings Trilogy Drinking Game Marathon Endurance Challenge. I am about to revolutionaryize the drinking game market.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you take a sip every time you see a man with a beard?

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

can you get it without the stupid toys?

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

But the toys make such great conversation pieces. My wife has become very fond of pointing out my Argonath bookends and asking our guests, "Can you believe what a dork my husband is?"

Nemo (JND), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

if I had that stuff in the house my wife would divorce me

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I found the Talking Smeagol/Gollum, with 22 phrases, at Goodwill for $10. It is my favoritist thing EVER.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 24 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Tickle Me Gollum?

Nemo (JND), Friday, 24 September 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
Where are the Thoughts Of Chairman Ned on the extended DVD of The Return Of The King?

I haven't watched this properly yet, just a skim through the extended or new chapters. Favourite part so far: Gimli tiptoeing delicately across the floor of skulls in the Dwimorberg.

Mooro (Mooro), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Where are the Thoughts Of Chairman Ned on the extended DVD of The Return Of The King?

Voila:

The thread for the _Return of the King_ extended DVD

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
from IMDB today:

Shocking fans who had assumed that director Peter Jackson, who was responsible for the Lord of the Rings trilogy, would direct The Hobbit -- a kind of prequel to those films -- and another Lord of the Rings epic, Jackson said on theonering.net website Sunday that he had been advised by New Line that the studio "would no longer be requiring our services on The Hobbit ...[and] was now actively looking to hire another filmmaker." Jackson said that the studio cited the ongoing lawsuit that Jackson filed against New Line in June of 2005, charging that the studio had committed fraud in reporting the revenue for 2001's The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, which allegedly resulted in Jackson being underpaid millions of dollars. If the notice from New Line was a ploy to induce Jackson to drop or settle the lawsuit -- as Jackson seems to suggest in his message to "Ringers" -- it apparently failed to achieve its objective. In the message, Jackson said that he was "very sorry our involvement with The Hobbit has been ended in this way. ... This outcome is not what we anticipated or wanted, but neither do we see any positive value in bitterness and rancor. We now have no choice but to let the idea of a film of The Hobbit go and move forward with other projects."

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

Not surprising. A pity but oh well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

The letter in full.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

> Not surprising. A pity but oh well.

You say that now, but wait until McG is attached.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Like McG could do any worse.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

John Waters!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

M NIGHT SHYAMALMALMALAN

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

What a tweest!

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)


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