JFK assassination: was any consensus ever reached as to who actually did it and why?

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the conspiracy crowd wishes it were in an espionage film. there's nothing to any of the theories.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

"the conspiracy crowd wishes it were in an espionage film"

so did Oswald

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

there's nothing to any of the theories.

So then, why did Jack Ruby whack Oswald?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

it was, most likely, the confluence of a twisted, batshit assassin meeting an increasingly nutty small-time hustler, wannabe mafia guy who saw a chance to be an impressive big shot (ih his also-twisted mind). people like to point to coincidences and irrational behavior as evidence of a greater conspiracy, but let's face it: crazy people do stupid shit all the time. sometimes they do it to each other, in public, on TV.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

no mafia guy is gonna tell jack ruby, "hey you're unbalanced and nuts, let's give you the oswald gig. promise not to tell whodunit?"

― gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Gear OTM. Gerald Posner's 'Case Closed' is a gd debunking of the conspiracy theories.

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 September 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Gerald Posner's 'Case Closed' is a gd debunking of the conspiracy theories.

There's a fair amount of errors in Case Closed though, which make it about as useful as the pro-conspiracy books. Posner is a dick forever though for his famous post-9/11 "focus and clarity" editorial in the Wall Street Journal where he reversed his opinion on Bush II and came out in support of him.

Still, I would have liked to have seen of his debates with Vincent Bugliosi.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Dale Scott's book on Kennedy is really interesting

― xave (xave), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

'i am wrong about bush'

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Dale Scott's book on Kennedy is really interesting

-- xave (sl...), September 14th, 2006.

Deep Politics and the Death of JFK?

i agree, it's an interesting read.

for me, the most plausible scenario is the one discussed in this book:

Live By the Sword by Gus Russo

it more or less argues for Oswald acting alone, but creates context for his motivations.

here's the forward from the book for good measure.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

"The fact that many of the conspiracy theorists have been able to produce convincing evidence of their suspicions does not seem to trouble many people. The plausability of a conspiracy is less important to them than the implauability of someone as inconcequential as Oswald having the werewithal to kill someone as concequential — as poweful and well-guarded — as Kennedy. To accept that a random act of violence by an obscure malcontent could bring down the president of the United States is to acknowledge a chaotic, disorderly world that frightens most Americans. Believing that Oswald killed Kennedy is to concede, as New York Times columnist Anthony Lewis said, "that in this life there is often tragedy without reason"

Kennedy — An Unfinished Life, by Robert Dallek

You could also say much the same about 9/11.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Arse. That first line should say "have been UNABLE to produce evidence..."

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

someone as inconcequential as Oswald

The dude defected to the Soviet Union! Do people forget this? Also, some dude he was in the service with thought he was a fake commie working for the CIA to find real ones.

― Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Also, some dude he was in the service with thought he was a fake commie working for the CIA to find real ones.

Kerry Thornley!

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, one of the best commentaries on the assassination came from the KGB. There was a "JFK's KGB files" special around the time of the 40th anniversary of the assassination that got into Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In short, the KGB thought he was a crazy plant from the CIA and fed him some useless stuff until they could kick him back out of the country.

Later, the KGB figured that Oswald acted with potential mob help, and that the CIA and FBI didn't care since Kennedy was out of their hair.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

don delillo's libra is absolutely essential on this topic. not as fact, certainly, but in the psychology of the thing.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Kerry Thornley = DISCORDIAN... scary though

Also the dude who wrote a BOOK about Oswald pre assasination!

― Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Gear OTM here and on the 9/11 thread.

― Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

>"The fact that many of the conspiracy theorists have been able to >produce convincing evidence..."

Well, there's no convincing evidence for string theory, yet, and we're not giving up on that.

Berating conspiracy theorists for lacking evidence has always struck me as rather unscientific. You invent hypotheses and then gather evidence, right?, not the other way around. If you totally disregard hypotheses that lack evidence, no one would ever gather evidence and there'd be a moratorium on new ideas.

It's only been sixty years, and that's nuthin. Sometimes it takes centuries to solve a murder.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

yes the truth is that kennedy died on that u-boat

― gear (gear), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

pt-103 whatever

― gear (gear), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I like Ellroy's conclusion in "American Tabloid" - ie, *everybody* did it!

however, Squirrel Police OTFM about the scientific method

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Shakey you did NOT just agree with me. Say it ain't so!

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

"Don't you GET IT?!? DAMN! I can't keep talkin' like this! You guys are gonna kill ME! I'm gonna fuckin' DIE!!"

http://www.btinternet.com/~meirionhughes/Pub/images/jfk-peski.gif

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

45 years ago today

― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:26 (seventeen years ago)

white album 40 yrs old vs JFK assassination 45 yrs old POLL

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:34 (seventeen years ago)

In re: thread title question. The Warren Commission Report was meant to lay the basis for a national consensus.

Obv it failed in its stated purpose. But it came close enough that it achieved its major unstated purpose, which was to quell the national grief and anger and prevent it from spilling into irrational mob action.

― Aimless, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:44 (seventeen years ago)

JFK was an inside job - wake up, sheeple!

― StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)

Or maybe it wasn't and I'm mixing it up with that ninety-one one thing, I'm not sure.

― StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:57 (seventeen years ago)

the gunman is shooting from inside his head!

― velko, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:58 (seventeen years ago)

thats deep

― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:04 (seventeen years ago)

The Wrong Guy, a dark comedy starring Dave Foley, includes a scene of a conspiracy theorist claiming no bullet struck Kennedy, insisting "his head just did that", and calls it "The No Bullet Theory".

― Grady: The Myspacee Password Expert (PappaWheelie V), Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:04 (seventeen years ago)

OMG! Years later, people constructed urban legends based on that very JFK fact!

― StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:42 (seventeen years ago)

I forgot that the Weekly World News is no more.

― u s steel, Sunday, 23 November 2008 14:31 (seventeen years ago)

this should be a poll

― Kevin Keller, Sunday, 23 November 2008 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m11iuxaeNV1qkuou9o1_1280.jpg

― DavidM, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:26 (fourteen years ago)

well, that's certainly something.

― thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:32 (fourteen years ago)

its sad he was presidetn

― j'en ai cache (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:38 (fourteen years ago)

fighting morbid temptation to post on 'ws of shame' thread

― thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:39 (fourteen years ago)

the exit hole is obscured

― I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:37 (fourteen years ago)

what is that photo? it cant be genuine as nobody was that close at that particular moment

― PSOD (Ste), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:50 (fourteen years ago)

if it weren't for the fact that it occurred during JFK's assassination, that photo would be remembered as the best ass photo for a First Lady.

― onibaba o'reilly (Eisbaer), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

JFK looks like he's hiding from the wrath of Jackie's ass.

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:52 (fourteen years ago)

what is that photo? it cant be genuine as nobody was that close at that particular moment

― PSOD (Ste), Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:50 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, this. it doesn't trip any photoshopping wires for me. what's the story? according to google, this image only shows up on tumblrs.

― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:58 (fourteen years ago)

I think it's fake, prob from a movie set or something?

― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

I hate that I had to watch the zapruder film again, but by the time jackie is in that position, there's already a secret service dude clinging on the rear

― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:09 (fourteen years ago)

I think I see 'spring break 2009' tattooed on her leg

― iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:11 (fourteen years ago)

jfk would have looked a lot messier than that tbbh

― omar little, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:13 (fourteen years ago)

man, wikipedia shows too much

― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:14 (fourteen years ago)

I watched the old James Woods film True Believer last night. The character on whom the main story hinges adamantly believes that AT & T was behind the Kennedy assassination. Yes, it's played for laughs.

― clemenza, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:15 (fourteen years ago)

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