1984: The book. C/D? (Or just discussion about it.)

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Orwell called himsef a 'Tory Anarchist'

de, Saturday, 3 April 2004 01:56 (twenty years ago) link

And he never called himself a Socialist? I think not.

Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 3 April 2004 01:57 (twenty years ago) link

Take a look at Martin Amis's 'Koba the Dread' ,particularly the first chapter. This exposes the fatal attraction the USSR held for English intellectuals from the thirties right up until the final thawing. Many in this grouping - Americans and Britishers - attacked Orwell for 'betraying the socialist cause', when as we know, it's far more complex than that.

de, Saturday, 3 April 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

This is an interesting analysis: http://www.isj1text.ble.org.uk/pubs/isj85/chen.htm

'His last novel, the disturbing dystopian vision of the future, Nineteen Eighty Four, written in 1948, was influenced by the Trotskyist critique of the Soviet Union. Originally written to attack both Fascist and Communist tyranny, the defeat of Nazism allowed Orwell to focus on the totalitarianism of the Russian state and the slavishness of the left intelligentsia that allowed the myth of Soviet 'socialism' to take hold. For Orwell it was the managerial class, of which the intelligentsia was one section, who would make the revolution alongside the working class, but who would also be repelled by the Soviet myth. He was appealing to them, warning what it would be like to be 'rigidly policed and controlled by an omnipotent terroristic apparatus that aspires to thought-control'.39 He dissects the mentality of this 'middling' group and recounts Winston Smith's failed rebellion against Big Brother.'

'Nineteen Eighty Four was immediately seized upon by the right to attack socialism which was equated with Stalinist Russia. In refusing to recognise that the Soviet Union was not socialist, the left found themselves wide open to these attacks. The most schizoid reaction must be Raymond Williams's dismissal of Orwell as an 'ex-socialist' in the same breath as he was apologising for Mao's Cultural Revolution, and Pol Pot and the Cambodian Khmer Rouge campaign: 'The revolutionary movement has to impose the harshest discipline on itself and over relatively innocent people in order not to be broken down and defeated'.44 Orwell was never able to complete his defence of the book--that it was never intended as an attack on socialism or the British Labour Party--due to his illness from TB and his early death in 1950.'

de, Saturday, 3 April 2004 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

Orwell's original intro to either Animal Farm or 1984 has a line about how everything he's written since the '30s was in support of "democratic socialism."

But he wasn't overly fond of the British radicals of the era - there are some hilarious lines in Wigan Pier (that are all too applicable today)
"We have reached a stage when the very word 'Socialism' calls up, on the one hand, a picture of aeroplanes, tractors, and huge glittering factories of glass and concrete; on the other, a picture of vegetarians with wilting beards, of Bolshevik commissars (half gangster, half gramophone), of earnest ladies in sandals, shock-headed Marxists chewing polysyllables, escaped Quakers, birth-control fanatics, and Labour Party backstairs-crawlers. Socialism, at least in this island, does not smell any longer of revolution and the overthrow of tyrants; it smells of crankishness, machine-worship, and the stupid cult of
Russia. Unless you can remove that smell, and very rapidly, Fascism may
win."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 April 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

A Russian veiw, with some good qoutes from American leftist critics:
http://www.msu.edu/~shlapent/orwell.htm

de, Saturday, 3 April 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

'he wasn't overly fond of the British radicals of the era'

Ingsoc

de, Saturday, 3 April 2004 03:02 (twenty years ago) link

The problem with those paragraphs is "the left always luvved the USSR" tone. There were strands of left-opposition to the USSR going back to its inception (the break between the CPUSA and SPUSA over Debs attacks on Leninist oppression, for instance), and Orwell was hardly alone in his severe disillusionment with the USSR after Spain.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 April 2004 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

that didn't take long

http://www.unitedstateofcinema.com/

i n f i n i t y (∞), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

If you've never read George Orwell's "1984," here's your chance to catch up. The classic dystopian novel seems to be everywhere these days, including on the air: On Tuesday, KPFT (90.1 FM) will air a 15-hour dramatic reading of the entire story.

The recording was made in 1975 at KPFK in Los Angeles. It was read by Charles Morgan, a longtime KPFK morning host (and a blacklisted writer). He got some help from June Foray, the voiceover artist best known for playing Rocky in "Rocky and Bullwinkle."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/entertainment/books/article/An-all-day-reading-of-1984-11243383.php

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 25 June 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link

June Foray!! reading 1984!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 25 June 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link

You've sold me, Tracer.

Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 June 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link

tiny trains

The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 26 June 2017 10:35 (six years ago) link

Fainting, vomiting, fisticuffs:

http://jezebel.com/broadway-production-of-1984-is-causing-audience-members-1796405665

El Tomboto, Monday, 26 June 2017 11:30 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

Pynchon's essay on the book.

the Pynchon essay arguing it's as much a critique of British Labour as Stalin was revelatory for me (and relates to this point) https://t.co/5Z70ZT1Nrl

— dylan matthews (@dylanmatt) November 29, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 19:19 (one year ago) link

Now here's something we hope you'll really like.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 19:54 (one year ago) link

I'm surprised that hasn't been an Oceana TV series.. not necessarily just the Winston/Julia story, but just using that world to tell a bunch of stories.. there's the whole part where Winston rents his secret room, and the Proles drinking gin and playing lotto in the pub would make an interesting side setting. Also, the machinations of the Party hierarchy, etc.

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 20:12 (one year ago) link


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