Panel Discussion - The ILX Comic Strip Poll Results

sally forth the only strip i can think of where the guy who took over the strip (the medium large guy) i know better than the original artist

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in fairness the one i hate is the one in papers now, that original version is unsettlingly different -- reminds me more of the lockhorns, what with the huge heads and characters yelling at each other instead of just smiling blandly and smirking at each other.

=59: WASH TUBBS by Roy Crane (43 points, 3 votes)
a 1932-33 sequence

Wash Tubbs didn't begin as an adventure strip. Landon wanted down-home humor and dictated that the Wash character work as a store clerk. Crane had other ideas and within a year bespectacled little Wash had hung up his clerk's apron for a fortune-hunting jaunt in the South Seas. He never went back.
Crane's strip adventures were given a tongue in cheek treatment from the very beginning. Wash Tubbs was an extroverted and exuberant strip with a sense of fun to match the adventure. Sound effects blasted from the panels with a blast of stars and exclamation points. The fights, a Crane trademark, were often brutal, drawn with an excellent feel for fluid anatomy, and had a certain cheerfulness about them. Fight sequences in Crane's strips could take days of continuity, rather than the one or two panels other strips used. Wash himself often enthusiastically participated in the kicking, biting, wrestling brawls, but he was fairly puny, somewhat resembling a diminutive Harold Lloyd.
Wash needed a sidekick and in 1928 Captain Easy was introduced into the strip. Easy was the adventurer Tubbs had aspired to be, a brawler and a soldier of fortune with a mysterious past. It was a perfect team up and gradually Captain Easy became the strip's central character. By 1933 Easy was given his own Sunday page, while the Wash and Easy team continued on in the Wash Tubb dailies. In the 1940s the two strips were combined as Captain Easy.
- Steve Stiles

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"There is no gay, feminine companionship."

Only bears on that ship, then?

=59: STEVE CANYON by Milt Caniff (43 points, 4 votes)
reproduced in color directly from Milton Caniff's personal set of syndicate proofs;featuring every Sunday in color and the daily strips in their original, uncropped versions.

The prominent display there of Lynx’s bosom was too much for many readers: hell hath no fury like that of parents who believe their children are being corrupted into thinking about sex. Letters poured in to subscribing papers. - R.C. Harvey

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sic can you tell me if you got a ballot from me y/n?

not this week, I'm away, but 98% sure that I (/previous pollrunners) did

k cool bcz I remember starting to make one and maybe even finishing one but I cd not find it in my Sent folder!

=57: BRINGING UP FATHER by Geo McManus (44 points, 3 votes)
Archival samples.

Bringing Up Father told the story of Irish-American Jiggs, a former bricklayer, and his wife Maggie, an ex-laundress, who came into sudden wealth. While the snobbish Maggie and beautiful daughter Nora (referred to various times as Katy and Mamie in the strip's early days) constantly try to "bring up" Father to his new social position, Jiggs can think of nothing finer than sitting down at Dinty Moore's restaurant to finish off several dishes of corned beef and cabbage, followed by a night out with the boys from the old neighborhood. The clash of wills that ensued often resulted in flying rolling-pins, smashed crockery, and broken vases, all aimed in the general direction of Jiggs's skull.

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=57: DREAM OF THE RAREBIT FIEND by Winsor McCay (44 points, 3 votes)
Torrent on archive.org

Eat cheese at night, trip out in your sleep.

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=55: OGLAF by Trudy Cooper and Doug Bayne (46 points, 3 votes)
Oglaf.

Creators of Platinum Grit give up on freeform print whimsy for sexy, squishy fantasy parody on the web.

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those rarebit fiend strips are amazing

^ can't really be said enough

this next one should have been the previous one:

=55: SCARY-GO-ROUND by John Allison (46 points, 2 votes)

I can’t find an accessible archive online. Here, buy four books’ worth and figure it out for yourself.

Supernatural high-school & twentysomething series set in West Yorkhire.

so to get it back in order, have some extra Oglaf for Xmas

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nsfw

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note to those unfamiliar with oglaf, "nsfw" not to be taken lightly in this case.

I think Oglaf is pretty hot tbh

can't remember if I voted for it, of course

oglaf is great. nsfw barely does it justice though.

also i totally just bought a copy of the 1973 dover rarebit fiend compilation on the strength of this thread.

oglaf & scary-go-round are cute, rarebit fiend is a miracle. need much, much larger images tho...

for people looking for much, much larger images of early-C20th newspaper strips, Sunday Press is having a sale - eg two table-sized volumes of McCay's Little Nemo for US$185, down from $250

http://www.sundaypressbooks.com/

Speaking of Little Nemo, this exists. I am very close to breaking down and ordering a copy.

that one's still the same negs as the Fanta books from the 80s AFAIK.

So are the Sunday Press versions much higher quality in addition to being larger? I wound up ordering that new collection last night regardless; reviews seemed generally positive and I had Amazon gift cards burning a hole in my pocket. I don't know all that much about the reputations of all the prior anthologies.

53: CAPTAIN EASY by Roy Crane (49 points, 2 votes)
Four enormo hardcovers in a bundle

Wash Tubbs gets taken over by sidekick.

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Are these colours legit?

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Yep. There are some coloring notes from Rick Norwood in Fanta's vol. 1 that confirm that and describe the process. Almost all the pages are reproduced from scans of the printed pieces.

amazing, would love to see that (in some kind of generous library). (also for ppl to post it on DK2 argument threads 13 years ago!) that one seen alone, seems done almost entirely for effect, not realism or narrative flow or anything traditional.

also a+ on the varying body types in the harem.

And the page composition, esp. on the right side: top of tree, middle of tree, bottom of tree. Decades ahead of Neal Adams.

Because I'm bored and waiting for work that should have come to me a week ago, here are those coloring notes. Most of this stuff won't be news to people who know the pre-digital comics production process.

For most of the history of the color Sunday comic strip, the colors were produced mechanically rather than photographically. The artist drew the strip on heavy, slightly off-white "boards," usually twice the size of the printed art. Then, in those pre-Xerox days, Velox copies were made on glossy white paper. The Velox process was both more time-consuming and more expensive than modern methods, and so the number of Velox copies was kept to a minimum.
Roy Crane then splashed colors directly onto the original art as a color guide, at least for the first frew years of the Sunday page.
The original and four Velox copies were then sent to the color separators. (Most Sunday comics were colored by Chemical Color Plate Company of Bridgeport, Connecticut.)
Young women sitting on tall stools at drafting tables created the color by adding black ink to three of the Velox prints, one for yellow, one for cyan, and one for magenta. The fourth Velox print provided the black. They were helped in this task by the artist's color guide and by a colorist who placed a transparent sheet over the color guide and, with a grease pencil, wrote color values. For example R2B3 meant that the magenta Velox would get a number two screen would have a number three screen in the same area. The result, when printed, would be a shade of purple.
A proof page was then prepared with each color on a separate overlay, and changes were made as necessary. The artist did not see the strip in color until he got that proof page in the mail, in some cases not until he saw the printed strip in the Sunday paper.
As you can see on the following pages, the artist's colors were not an attempt to create a painting, but just enough color to help the color separators do their job.
All of the Sunday pages in this book, with one exception, are from color color scans of Sunday pages printed in the newspapers. The one exception is the strip for October 6, 1935, where no color newspaper page could be found. That page has been colored in-house from a scan of a page in a newspaper that ran [the] strip in black and white.

That specificly dense luridity looks like it might have been designed for a specific storyline (I found the week before's). Wonder how much of that was Crane and how much might have been a separator who was on that particular job that month.

52: GET YOUR WAR ON by David Rees (51 points, 4 votes)
Entire thing here.

Clip-art office “lols” acquire furious satirical bent.

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=51: AMY & JORDAN by Mark Beyer (54 points, 3 votes)

Even Amazon doesn’t have used copies of the Pantheon hardcover. Anybody want to buy mine? And the German one?

Amy and Jordan has only three recurring characters: the eponymous couple and Amy’s sickly son Ba Tilsdale, who dies of neglect but occasionally returns as an ominous statue. Amy and Jordan’s relationship is antagonistic, yet they’re resigned to being stuck with each other–somewhere between Akbar and Jeff and Vladimir and Estragon. They share a decrepit apartment (critics speculate that they live on the Lower East Side) and slog through various mediocre jobs. Each strip chronicles a mysterious or unfortunate occurrence. The minor, disheartening tribulations of urban life–navigating the subway, run-ins with weirdos, vermin–take on monstrous proportions, and the city becomes a horrific carnival of disaster. Amy and Jordan are menaced by “demons carrying carving knives” and gigantic insects, and plagued by poisoned food. Many of the strips combine ordinary annoyance with surreal violence: when Jordan goes outside to ask a crazy man to stop screaming, the man responds unexpectedly: “He’s wrapped his snakelike tongue around my body. I’m paralyzed. I can’t move! Well it’s good. Now Amy can sleep unmolested.” Beyer’s stilted, clunky dialogue makes even the most disturbing events funny, and his characters’ reactions to tragedy are gruesomely pragmatic. … Watching the parade of downtrodden souls trudging past their window, Amy concludes, “The world is a horrible place filled with terrible people.” - Zoe Roller

YAAASSS

I had two copies of this. Gave one to an ex. The other came with a signed Beyer illustration on an index card B-)

I love this comic so. fucking. much.

have almost bought that book a few times because it feels like it's the kind of thing that's right up my alley, but something about beyer's art is really creepy and off-putting to me. but i love the way those panels are designed, so i should probably just suck it up and give it a chance.

OK have some more then

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I can only take Beyer in small doses, but damn, his stuff never looks less than fucking GREAT.

yeah, that's the tragedy of his aesthetic - absolutely perfect for once-a-week exposure in a paper, wearying even in the Maroverlag collection, let alone the Pantheon one - I never came close to finishing the latter

Get Your War On such a Bush-era thing, from back before we all stopped really even caring about wars

=51: LITTLE LULU by Marge (54 points, 3 votes)
Marge and Lulu: The Art of the Deal

You might be thinking of the comic books, done anonymously by John Stanley.

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=49: PEARLS BEFORE SWINE by Stephen Pastis (55 points, 2 votes)
Universal

Pearls Before Swine is a syndicated comic strip that runs in 750 newspapers around the world. The strip pairs an angry, arrogant Rat with a sweet but dumb Pig, the latter of whom is protected by a violent, albeit delusional Guard Duck. Pig and Rat’s friends also include a bookish, intelligent Goat, and a poor, besieged Zebra whose only goal is to keep from being eaten by his inept and inarticulate next-door neighbors, the Fraternity of Zeeba Zeeba Eata crocodiles. Oh, and there are some lemmings who kill themselves.

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=49: WONDERMARK by David Malki (55 points, 3 votes)
Wondermark

C19th illustrations detourned for ironolols.

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i like marge's original LL cartoons a lot, really wish they'd get a full reprinting. it's funny how little resemblance they bear to the john stanley comics -- lulu's personality seems very different.

Yeah, it was interesting to see how distinct Lulu is when I was looking for images. How late did it run or reprint anywhere? Genuinely curious how much exposure the voters had (obviously, from the blurb)

couldn't you just have had a post with the word "wondermark" and left it at that?

you assume Wondermark is going to be the best-known strip in the entire poll?

can we just like maybe post a list of the rest of the results

I was happy posting the results! sic wanted to do it.