Worst white man on the cover of the New Statesman's 'Great White Male' issue

(And yeah I know Snow is a product of privilege as much as anyone on this list)

Oh, but it's ageist to point out how middle-aged and older white men dominate the Establishment! As that poor woman from Perfect Pussy found to her chagrin last week!

Only Will Self and Jon Snow and I dunno maybe Damian Barr are considered to be doing their best work now

They are? What work is Jon Snow doing now that is esp. noteworthy? (I'm biased 'cuz detest him)

(By the way, I don't mind Will Self all that much just don't think he can write)

What work is Jon Snow doing now that is esp. noteworthy?

https://magees.ie/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/FINAL-DPS-JIMMY-CHOO-MAN-AD.jpg

lol somebody had to

And what did Jon Snow have to say anyway:

The days of the Great White Male are numbered. So how should men live now? Stephen Fry, Mary Beard, Andrew Marr, Margaret Atwood and others offer their survival tips.

Jon Snow

Spend less time with other men. Relish the company of women. Exercise regularly with a dash of yoga. Bike to work. Stand on the head to fertilise the blood corpuscles to prevent baldness. Wash the system through with lashings of music. Cry when genuinely moved. He should laugh, and get in touch with his sense of humour – and if he can’t find it, crawl under a stone until
he can.

jfc..

;_;

(crying, because I was genuinely moved by that)

Is this whole issue a satire?

David Baddiel

Number one thing: challenging the primary sexism in the media, which is not porn, or page three, or sacking newsreader females as they get older, but employing images of women as decoration. This happens all the time. Check the front pages of all broadsheets and magazines, from the Times to the Mail. It is often, I think, unconscious, or just a reflex economic imperative, based on the idea that images of women sell. It should be resisted and men should – this might sound weird but I’m serious – join with feminists in calling for more men to be in these photographs.

Relish the company of women.

I sense a poll

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^^jon snow relishing the company of a woman, biking to work and laughing/getting in touch with his sense of humour, I'm challenging you to find a photo where he is doing four of things from his list at once

that picture should have been on the cover rather than the Grayson Perry cartoon imo

"real effects of misandry"

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Spend less time with other men. Relish the company of women.

I know relishing the company of women is old fashioned, but underneath that, this is solid advice for men - if you're a man and you cultivate friendships with women you can get perspectives on things which an all male friendship group wouldn't pick up on.

how people still have only male friends?

*how many

Jihadi John?

Loads of people

Like, half of my male friends only have male friends. Think it has to do with where you work, family background etc

Not that they never ever encounter women but that they have a defined barrier with 'friends' on one side of it and 'women' on the other

i think that still happens, treesh - or rather i think there many men, young and old, who would be unlikely to go out and do something with one or two or more women as friends. They might share social circles, but I don't think that's the same thing.

I can't abide Mitchell and Webb, but here I guess Parsons, Gill and de Botton for me.

Perry gets a bye for me here - I like him. I have a soft spot for Rowan Williams - Arthur Machen Society member, and his book on Dostoevsky's not at all bad. I confess to an abiding fascination with Martin Amis, which doesn't at all involve excluding him from terribleness, awfulness etc, but does complicate it.

But in total the list certainly produces a feeling of dreary and unfruitful surfeit of type, a monotony of notional 'importance', a sallow congeries of grizzled old willies. a moribund cultural oligarchy.

what cardamon said.

But in total the list certainly produces a feeling of dreary and unfruitful surfeit of type, a monotony of notional 'importance', a sallow congeries of grizzled old willies. a moribund cultural oligarchy.

― Fizzles, Sunday, 12 October 2014 15:30 (22 seconds ago)

Yeah I totally get that. In many ways the whole BBC, Guardian, Independant etc "high" culture establishment is something I loathe and I was always opposed to so many things about their arts coverage. Almost seeing it as an enemy.
But at the same time I like a lot of those people (not specifically the people on the list) and I can't deny that that crowd has probably brought me a lot more than I would often think.

Also NME, Mojo, Uncut, The Word and the resultant BBC music coverage. I despise probably more things about that crowd but there certainly were good things in there too.

not to diminish the pain and suffering caused by the war criminals on this list but i suspect an american version of this issue would be unimaginably worse.

They are? What work is Jon Snow doing now that is esp. noteworthy? (I'm biased 'cuz detest him)

His reporting from Gaza earlier this year got him some props. Channel 4 News in general is better than any of its rivals at the moment.

I'm also led to believe that Self's last novel is his best, but I'm in no hurry to read it because my experience is that he's a decent short story writer and a terrible novelist (mostly because his novels are basically overextended shorts).

Dylan Jones is getting off too easily here, he's probably the platonic ideal:

n 1999, Jones moved to Condé Nast and took over GQ. He is credited with bringing in a roster of high quality writers including Dominic Lawson, Will Self, A.A. Gill, Ed Victor and Tom Wolfe, as well as taking the magazine in a more political direction. He notably hired Boris Johnson as the magazine's car correspondent. GQ was also the first magazine to feature David Cameron on its cover, soon after he became leader of the Conservative Party.

Jones was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the 2013 Birthday Honours for services to the publishing and British fashion industries.

Parris was an actual Tory MP.

absent from the list but prob the guiding hand: Jason Cowley

like Perry and Williams. share fizzles' amis ambivalence.

voted Botton.

Can I cast a vote against ever reading anything by Alan The Bottom, and instead suggest that everyone actually reads A La Recherce Du Temps Perdu? It deserves its rep!
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:30 PM (11 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think about this post every time Botton impinges on my consciousness for any reason

agree strongly with an extended version, you are always better reading someone he is pontificating on rather than him.

I think it stayed with me more because of 'Alan The Bottom' than anything more high-minded to be honest. and I still haven't read In Search of Lost Time

Botton thinks it's a philosophising novel and tries to 'sell' it to you on those grounds, but it's not what he thinks it is

It's a neuroscience novel of course.

i liked 'war against cliche' and that clive james book has some dope essays idk.

issue seems like someone was trying to cover up 'white male butthurt' w/ 'clever' and failed obv

xp

he was ok about it when I told him that I used his name in a blogpost as a passing example of all that was wrong in british culture because it sounded like bottom.

(i mean I also explained that I thought he was bad for real reasons, it wasn't just 'bottom')

(he got in touch to complain)

Dylan Jones wrote Cameron's biography and paid him for his co-operation

Jones used to sell his review copies to me when I worked in a secondhand bookshop. He was very decent in person - and he got excellent review copies! - although he has obv been involved with some terrible things and people.

Will Self also once sold me a load of his review copies and he was a total arsehole, fwiw.

Thank you, ILX, because I thought I knew Britain's worst cockfarmers but then a thread like this goes and introduces you to a host of new cockfarmers you had little to no idea about.

I dunno. I kinda almost prefer the total unreformed unrepentant cockfarmers because at least you know where you stand with them. The ones who dress their cockfarming up in charm and ~being decent in person~, in a weird way those ones worry me more, like evil dressed up in a pleasant face gets much, much further and people are willing to excuse it and fall for it so much more.

James used to be alright imo – good essayist and critic, & I like the memoirs – but a pompous 'marvels of western literary culture' side of him largely took over. Still quite like him as a poetry critic - solid in the formal corner, breadth of reading, good to disagree with.

Conversely I used to hate Bragg, but now I only hear him if I download an In Our Time, so I am more or less ok with that.

I was optimistic when I first saw the cover - I like Perry & I think the liberal/fabian left can be v v hostile to anything that looks like the politics of cultural privilege or identity – it seemed a viable trojan horse. But really.

Ambitious establishment Tory types are always perfectly decent in person, they're basically trained from birth to be so.

Self is the only one on the list I've met (admittedly 13 years ago now) and I found him genial enough, although I suspect that may not always be the case.

I just read Dylan Jones' wikipedia and an interview from 5 years ago, and to be honest, he just gives me a serious case of the creeps. "Oh, my friends treated my joining the Conservative party as if I'd admitted liking Phil Collins" - as if it were only such a minor aesthetic quibble!

I admit to being a sucker for the Style world and I would happily read GQ in the takeaway next door for the beautiful suits, basically, and the Style but the odious and deeply conservative politics involved with the whole thing, and you realise that the agenda promoted within is totally deliberate and it's just fucking depressing. That subtle or not even so subtle creep of art school boys to the right as they age.

I'm also thinking about that thing upthread, of someone (forget who) saying one should save one's genuine hate and contempt for the politicians.

But when confronted with a list like this, one realises how much of it is down to the commentariat who present this hateful politics and polish the turds and make it all so ~palatable~ and even stylish.

yeah Jones is a particularly vile offender there – Osborne as politician of the year in the GQ awards for instance.

One good thing at least is Toby Young must be fuming he never got asked to contribute.

christ i'd never seen his list of books before. "The Biographical Dictionary of Popular Music" , oh man I have not read this but I strongly suspect he is no David Thomson.

(xp lol)

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