Worst white man on the cover of the New Statesman's 'Great White Male' issue

It's just a pity that whoever wins this will never know they won it.

You could send them a message, but they won't get it.

Would've been more funny if ilxors on the whole had been more wild in life. No reason why some of them might not have been on that cover.

Then the vote could hurt.

I'm trying to think of a good way to hurt Martin Amis, but this isn't it.

Some ilxor posters might yet someday be famous and hated. And I will be on a future poll saying whatever good things I can remember about them.

How about the people who aren't white men on that cover? How do you all feel about them?

Margaret Atwood is grebt

How do I feel about the people who aren't white men on the cover? Mostly just that there aren't anywhere near fucking enough, and don't get anywhere near enough billing (and presumably wordcount).

28 named contributors.

20 white men.

8 women.

2 (possibly 3 at a stretch, but conceptions of Iranian ethnicity can be complex, and I do not know how Amanpour identifies) people who aren't white.

What's fucking depressing is that just under 29% female is, compared to most lists, institutions, staffs of British newspapers, actually really quite progressive. But when you get to the point where you're saying "a bit less than a third is amazing compared to the usual one in ten!" it is just grinding.

I mean, you do understand why people are so irritated by this thing? That it's not just the specific list of those specific odious men (though cardamon OTM about the steady drip-drip-drip of their odiousness). It's about how that cover was released at first (without the list of White Men who were going to be in it, clearly attached to the outside so as not to startle the readership) as this Great! Work! Of Social Commentary! It's about how Grayson Perry's essay was being bandied about twitter and social media as this Important! Statement! On Equality! And Social Justice!

Then you see the list of people he's commissioned to write, and it's like... THIS is your great commentary on equality and justice. These people. This is your great progressive vision of a future not dominated by the absurd, elitist preponderance of straight, white, middle-class men. THIS. These 20 odious white men, and a couple of women, many of whom are already regular columnists for the magazine, so you probably had to take them anyway, right? Your talk means jack fucking shit if you don't put your money where your mouth is.

This isn 't "decrying witchcraft while selling your soul to the devil". This is "Being given a platform to talk about Witchcraft, Devil-Worship and Occultism are destroying today's society, and then opening up your rolodex and writing blank cheques to Anton LaVey, Aleister Crowley and Madame Blavatsky"

It's a fucking joke! (And if it's *supposed* to work as "satire", an understanding which would require extending a huge benefit of the doubt which never normally gets extended to women or PoC, it doesn't really work, if the paycheques don't bounce.) Until I saw the contributors list, there was this tiny charitable impulse that thought "Well, I guess it's kind of noble that the straight, white man does actually use his platform to highlight inequality, even if he's doing so in the most unoriginal way, built on the labour of PoC and women who will never get that platform." But you see that contributor's list, that noble vision of his new society, the people who chooses to give the money and the platform to when he's making the decisions... SPARE ME.

I think it might be reasonable to assume it wasn't originally conceived as an issue about equality and justice, it was probably meant to be an issue about new masculinity / the future of white men, etc, and as a fig leaf to counter the perception that this is a tired, navel-gazing, exclusionary trope they got Perry on board to contribute a radical-seeming editorial and cover.

Voted Amis, should probably have voted Parsons. Gill at least seems to have some self-awareness about his own horribleness.

This isn 't "decrying witchcraft while selling your soul to the devil". This is "Being given a platform to talk about Witchcraft, Devil-Worship and Occultism are destroying today's society, and then opening up your rolodex and writing blank cheques to Anton LaVey, Aleister Crowley and Madame Blavatsky"

awesome

It'd be awesome - if white privilege and male privilege weren't actual real society-destroying things, unlike witchcraft. But I know convincing people that they are real is hard sell, even on ILX.

This wall! Let me bash my head against it! It's so much fun! And the ringing in my ears afterwards! I love it so much.

I don't think that contributors list is even remotely intended to be satirical.

(Branwell OTM btw)

It's an *extremely* middle aged list as well - virtually everyone here except Owen Jones is on the list on the back of things they did two decades ago at least. Only Will Self and Jon Snow and I dunno maybe Damian Barr are considered to be doing their best work now, nearly everyone else is here on the back of a decaying reputation.

I generally like Andrew Marr, Rowan Williams, Perry himself and some things that involve Robert Webb. I don't actually know very much about Snow's personal politics but unlike virtually everyone else here he's a proper journalist who has actually earned the platform that he gets and uses it reasonably well.

(And yeah I know Snow is a product of privilege as much as anyone on this list)

Oh, but it's ageist to point out how middle-aged and older white men dominate the Establishment! As that poor woman from Perfect Pussy found to her chagrin last week!

Only Will Self and Jon Snow and I dunno maybe Damian Barr are considered to be doing their best work now

They are? What work is Jon Snow doing now that is esp. noteworthy? (I'm biased 'cuz detest him)

(By the way, I don't mind Will Self all that much just don't think he can write)

What work is Jon Snow doing now that is esp. noteworthy?

https://magees.ie/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/FINAL-DPS-JIMMY-CHOO-MAN-AD.jpg

lol somebody had to

And what did Jon Snow have to say anyway:

The days of the Great White Male are numbered. So how should men live now? Stephen Fry, Mary Beard, Andrew Marr, Margaret Atwood and others offer their survival tips.

Jon Snow

Spend less time with other men. Relish the company of women. Exercise regularly with a dash of yoga. Bike to work. Stand on the head to fertilise the blood corpuscles to prevent baldness. Wash the system through with lashings of music. Cry when genuinely moved. He should laugh, and get in touch with his sense of humour – and if he can’t find it, crawl under a stone until
he can.

jfc..

;_;

(crying, because I was genuinely moved by that)

Is this whole issue a satire?

David Baddiel

Number one thing: challenging the primary sexism in the media, which is not porn, or page three, or sacking newsreader females as they get older, but employing images of women as decoration. This happens all the time. Check the front pages of all broadsheets and magazines, from the Times to the Mail. It is often, I think, unconscious, or just a reflex economic imperative, based on the idea that images of women sell. It should be resisted and men should – this might sound weird but I’m serious – join with feminists in calling for more men to be in these photographs.

Relish the company of women.

I sense a poll

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^^jon snow relishing the company of a woman, biking to work and laughing/getting in touch with his sense of humour, I'm challenging you to find a photo where he is doing four of things from his list at once

that picture should have been on the cover rather than the Grayson Perry cartoon imo

"real effects of misandry"

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Spend less time with other men. Relish the company of women.

I know relishing the company of women is old fashioned, but underneath that, this is solid advice for men - if you're a man and you cultivate friendships with women you can get perspectives on things which an all male friendship group wouldn't pick up on.

how people still have only male friends?

*how many

Jihadi John?

Loads of people

Like, half of my male friends only have male friends. Think it has to do with where you work, family background etc

Not that they never ever encounter women but that they have a defined barrier with 'friends' on one side of it and 'women' on the other

i think that still happens, treesh - or rather i think there many men, young and old, who would be unlikely to go out and do something with one or two or more women as friends. They might share social circles, but I don't think that's the same thing.

I can't abide Mitchell and Webb, but here I guess Parsons, Gill and de Botton for me.

Perry gets a bye for me here - I like him. I have a soft spot for Rowan Williams - Arthur Machen Society member, and his book on Dostoevsky's not at all bad. I confess to an abiding fascination with Martin Amis, which doesn't at all involve excluding him from terribleness, awfulness etc, but does complicate it.

But in total the list certainly produces a feeling of dreary and unfruitful surfeit of type, a monotony of notional 'importance', a sallow congeries of grizzled old willies. a moribund cultural oligarchy.

what cardamon said.

But in total the list certainly produces a feeling of dreary and unfruitful surfeit of type, a monotony of notional 'importance', a sallow congeries of grizzled old willies. a moribund cultural oligarchy.

― Fizzles, Sunday, 12 October 2014 15:30 (22 seconds ago)

Yeah I totally get that. In many ways the whole BBC, Guardian, Independant etc "high" culture establishment is something I loathe and I was always opposed to so many things about their arts coverage. Almost seeing it as an enemy.
But at the same time I like a lot of those people (not specifically the people on the list) and I can't deny that that crowd has probably brought me a lot more than I would often think.

Also NME, Mojo, Uncut, The Word and the resultant BBC music coverage. I despise probably more things about that crowd but there certainly were good things in there too.

not to diminish the pain and suffering caused by the war criminals on this list but i suspect an american version of this issue would be unimaginably worse.

They are? What work is Jon Snow doing now that is esp. noteworthy? (I'm biased 'cuz detest him)

His reporting from Gaza earlier this year got him some props. Channel 4 News in general is better than any of its rivals at the moment.

I'm also led to believe that Self's last novel is his best, but I'm in no hurry to read it because my experience is that he's a decent short story writer and a terrible novelist (mostly because his novels are basically overextended shorts).

Dylan Jones is getting off too easily here, he's probably the platonic ideal:

n 1999, Jones moved to Condé Nast and took over GQ. He is credited with bringing in a roster of high quality writers including Dominic Lawson, Will Self, A.A. Gill, Ed Victor and Tom Wolfe, as well as taking the magazine in a more political direction. He notably hired Boris Johnson as the magazine's car correspondent. GQ was also the first magazine to feature David Cameron on its cover, soon after he became leader of the Conservative Party.

Jones was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the 2013 Birthday Honours for services to the publishing and British fashion industries.

Parris was an actual Tory MP.

absent from the list but prob the guiding hand: Jason Cowley

like Perry and Williams. share fizzles' amis ambivalence.

voted Botton.

Can I cast a vote against ever reading anything by Alan The Bottom, and instead suggest that everyone actually reads A La Recherce Du Temps Perdu? It deserves its rep!
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:30 PM (11 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think about this post every time Botton impinges on my consciousness for any reason

agree strongly with an extended version, you are always better reading someone he is pontificating on rather than him.

I think it stayed with me more because of 'Alan The Bottom' than anything more high-minded to be honest. and I still haven't read In Search of Lost Time

Botton thinks it's a philosophising novel and tries to 'sell' it to you on those grounds, but it's not what he thinks it is

It's a neuroscience novel of course.

i liked 'war against cliche' and that clive james book has some dope essays idk.

issue seems like someone was trying to cover up 'white male butthurt' w/ 'clever' and failed obv