rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

something something lenny brisco says something about wrongful insemination

I think it's safe to say that they're both bad and that people are entitled to their subjective reasons for wanting control over their own child-having decisions.

and that suing for what is basically "damages" because of your child's race is scummy as fuck.

tbh I'm really reading up on sperm donation now

*reads up furiously*

lol shakey

I think the argument, "hey you have a healthy child, so no harm done" is pretty offensive tbh, but apparently that was the basis of a 2007 NY decision:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/10/ohio_sperm_bank_black_donor_mix_up_can_a_white_mother_with_a_biracial_baby.html

(can't C&P for some reason but skip down to the Andrews v. Keltz mention)

― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, October 3, 2014 4:04 PM (6 hours ago)

yeah this is kind of what i was thinking of. i'm not endorsing it but i am recognizing that what everyday people think of as a harm is not the same as what you can recover when you sue someone. i am not sure offensive is the word i would use though i do agree it's not good. these are just kind of weird questions one doesn't get to think about every day. fortunately?

i would think that rape victims might find it offensive to compare to rape however

That might be true and if anyone who reads it is offended, I apologize. Rape and non-consensual impregnation are the most time-tested way of controlling women's fertility though. It's only modern medicine that creates the possibility of the second without the first.

I guess I liked to think there was a real Black dude from I dunno East Flatbush or something who was THAT into healthy eating as a from of subversive self-care.

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, September 29, 2014 4:47 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark

http://www.amazon.com/The-Hood-Health-Handbook-Practical/dp/1935721321

http://www.itvs.org/films/soul-food-junkies

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10155047_1600144650213238_3549923115314653361_n.jpg?oh=d01764fc1d29cc78915fbf594bd6723e&oe=54B67F2B&__gda__=1420702482_ecaadd5132623819ebe0fc232d9d9c47

phat le rappeur

Willing to give it a pass as long as the kid doesn't put on blackface xp

i haven't seen the movie napoleon dynamite since it was released in theaters 800 blog years ago but i just thought of it for some reason and remembered that there is a part when one of the characters dates a black woman with a "black"-sounding name and this is supposed to be inherently hilarious. not a question, really. that was racist. i feel horrified that when i first saw that movie as a high school freshman i liked it.

borat came out around that time too i think. and team america: world police. were audiences and critics more tolerant of racial stereotypes in mainstream comedies ten years ago?

i can assure you there was nothing hilarious about napoleon dynamite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_th4LsV9kE
both xp and not xp

were audiences and critics more tolerant of racial stereotypes in mainstream comedies ten years ago?

critics maybe

My highschool classmates didn't care that much. I'm sure the kids there now read thinkpieces and are at least aware of terms like intersectionality if it isn't literally part of the curriculum. In my ed classes they are telling me to teach definitions of racism and sexism as interlocking sytems rather than discrete individual attitudes directly to high schoolers

Treesh do you enjoy the comedy of Tom Green

they made the fake fat belly painted onto the t-shirt white instead of black

that's a… sign of racial sensitivity i think??

Probably more a reflection on their expected target demo

otm

Tom Green, that's a name that really takes me back

can i have that hamburger necklace however

hey, this is racist AND sexist:

http://flavorwire.com/480990/pete-pete-was-all-white-people-slimed-author-mathew-klickstein-on-why-ren-and-stimpy-was-better-than-clarissa-and-nickelodeons-diversity-problem

re: borat, Napoleon Dynamite, Team America

All these films are horribly racist and I complained about them at the time here on ILX and people argued/disagreed w me about all of them

Shakes did you ever change your mind abt ken jeong in the hangover

a lot of classic "it's okay to make fun of [insert ethnicity]" excuses

Shakes did you ever change your mind abt ken jeong in the hangover

Thinking about it now, I guess so...? It's not quite Long Duck Dong level but it is a caricature. That movie in general has diminished in my eyes.

I originally bought into the idea that Borat was more about revealing the societal problem of racism or sexism in others through his character and therefore was a little profound in a way, though looking back those were just side effects of a movie was that quite clearly racist

Borat is almost entirely about playing off of the racism in others, is the thing. Whether it works or not is up for debate but that's pretty clearly the intention.

From DJP's link:

There are worlds where white guys get shit, too. I’m starting to do stand-up comedy now and it’s hard to go up there and talk about how hard it is to be a guy. People don’t wanna hear it! A girl can go up there and talk all she wants about how hard it is to be a girl, and she gets applauded. These are obviously some of my own personal views and aren’t as important, but I’m bringing up this stuff because it’s all very malleable, it’s very flexible.

Man, when are white men finally gonna get a fuckin' break?

Klickstein comes off like a turbo douche in that interview

imo the biggest crime of Borat is using Kazakhstan, an actual place, as a stand-in for the other because it was a convenient stand-in

well I dunno if he could've booked all those interviews or appearances or w/e using some fake country so I guess he kinda had to

Well, OTOH, a Kazakh director made an unofficial sequel to raise the country's image and the punchline to the movie was "Hey, these guys aren't even really Kazakh, they're Jews from Romania" so . . .

imo the biggest crime of Borat is using Kazakhstan, an actual place, as a stand-in for the other because it was a convenient stand-in

^^^

If I were Indian or Jewish, for example
If I were Indian or Jewish, for example
If I were Indian or Jewish, for example
If I were Indian or Jewish, for example
If I were Indian or Jewish, for example
If I were Indian or Jewish, for example
If I were Indian or Jewish, for example

and it's not that there aren't rabid anti-semites in Kazakhstan - I'm sure there are - but caricaturing them that way, the entire character of Borat, is totally racist

xp

he portrays their entire culture as backward, incestuous, nothing but poor dumb peasants etc.

every generation gets the Yakov Smirnoff they deserve

I love how dude sets the stage by pretending that massive hit "Clarissa Explains It All" was only retroactively appreciated due to Melissa Joan Hart's star turn on "Sabrina, The Teenage Witch" and then jumps whole hog into "oh btw I'm a virulent racist too, let me show you all the ways I suck" with zero prompting

Wow that Pete & Pete interview went downhill rather quickly.

Blah blah blah pure, fervent nostalgia blah blah blah ren and stimpy melissa joan hart blah blah blah whitewashed suburbs blah blah blah SPEAKING OF WHICH….

In for a dime, in for a dollar.

Holy shit, wow did that interview go downhill

Like he just keeps digging the hole for himself
At least he's being more openly racist in his nostalgia. WHITE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE TOO, YA KNOW

Imagining this full grown guy watching kiddie shows all day and getting mad that they have Indian characters.