2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Democrat Bill Foster had a 53 percent to 47 percent lead over Republican businessman Jim Oberweis with 325 of 568 precincts reporting.

if her f.p. experience remains in the spotlight this is key. i wouldn't be surprised if Bill gets really generous about past achievements, things that are difficult to quantify or dispute. voters will have to sift through it.

-- Cosmo Vitelli, Saturday, 8 March 2008 22:27

apparently they're already claiming that hil was pushing bill to go into darfur in 94, and that "not following her advice is one of my greatest regrets"

oh gimme a fuckin' break

Rezko is Obama's Whitewater (aka substanceless 'scandalous' meme the right-wing will throw around forever)

FOSTER WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Democrat Bill Foster had a 53 percent to 47 percent lead over Republican businessman Jim Oberweis with 534 of 568 precincts reporting.

Su-Times now has 94% in with the same lead for Foster. He's up by several thousand votes. Friend says "uncounted votes are almost entirely from Kane county, which Foster has been winning."

Sun-Times

lol way bad news for repubs there

Rock.

Bill Clinton: Hillary-Obama Ticket Would Be "Almost Unstoppable Force" god this is so condescending to say right now!!! it kind of goes back to the inevitability thing that hillary used to have - "oh. she'll be the nominee anyway, so obama just suck it up and be the veep and you guys will rule! nevermind that the contest is far from over!!!" even though he's got a fucking delegate lead. errr.

well he's probably right, but it is kind of annoying, overlooking the fact that he still has a handy delegate lead and will probalby hold onto that lead until the convention

OMG! http://godhatesobama.com/

Mwahahaha.

Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac

The New Republic: Hillary Clinton's Continued Run Is Damaging The Democrats' Chances

And here's why she won't quit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMVOT-IH8sg

If she can't win the nomination in 2008 she'd rather endorse McCain: we're witnessing the beginning of the Hillary 2012 campaign.

"Uncommitted"? Why don't they just have an "Other" category?

My friend actually voted uncommitted. Because it's a caucus, some people might just be coming for the party buisness and don't necessarily want to support a particular candidate. They worked out their platform at the caucus, for instance.

Her desire to hold that office is so all-encompassing, I'm really surprised she didn't just run as a Republican THIS time.

that's silly.

Oh really? You don't think her secondary focus (behind trying to win this time) is setting up McCain for a win so she can stage a campaign again in the next cycle? The more I study her methods, the more I'm convinced her chief motivation is power at any cost.

you're off your tits

"The more I study her methods"

"The more I study her methods"

As in reading the transcripts of her stump speeches, reading interviews with her staffers/campaign brains, watching news/interview footage with the candidate herself, applying logic to my conclusions...yes, studying her methods.

if Hillary does end up endorsing McCain publicly, that's a punch in the gut for McCain's chances among GOP voters, as well as Hillary's chances among anybody in the future -- stressing the word *publicly*

McCain's already said he intends to have some bipartisanship in his cabinet if elected, and since nothing short of a superdelegate coup at the convention will put her at the top of the Democratic ballot this cycle, she's already laying the groundwork to make a case for herself in a McCain cabinet. Next step, 2012 campaign (because everyone knows that McCain will be a single term president if the cards fall that way).

she's not angling for a cabinet position. your theory is a screenplay with potential.

HALP! I've turned into Chris Matthews.

"logic"

"Hmm, let's see. I'm running a very close race with my primary opponent. I think I'll deliberately damage him just enough so that he'll get the nomination but lose the election. Then I can get a cabinet position under the Republican president (everyone knows cabinet posts are great campaign launching pads!) and then I can run AGAINST him or his successor in the next election! Brilliant!"

mwahahaha

a pretty good article on Clinton's "Path to the Presidency" memo released after Tuesday.

*Tuesday's primary victories, I should say.

it was already posted a little bit up but yeah really depressing

oh, missed that, sorry deej. articles like that just cement in my mind what a colossal fuckup this whole thing might be.

the biggest prob is that it really could tear apart the party ... she certainly can't campaign for him effectively after this

Yeah, Hi I'm Hillary Clinton and I'm running for POTUSA on the platforms of healthcare, experience and my continued excellence as a surrogate for the Republican candidate. Please consider me when you vote, America.

I mean who does this possibly help other than herself and McCain?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/politics/09obama.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

This NYT article sheds some light on Obama's days in the senate.

It makes him seem very inexperienced but what is most damaging are the suggestions that he lacks the ability to stand up for something if it will make him look bad in any way.

yeah, according to lindsay graham

if Hillary does end up endorsing McCain publicly, that's a punch in the gut for McCain's chances among GOP voters. . .

Maybe Rush Limbaugh will publicly endorse Obama, to even the scales.

after the ny times article musing about the possibility of obama being shot, this is only slightly lower on the pro hrc propaganda scale

It seems like the article overall paints him that way.

I get the impression that he didn't want to get involved with a lot of the legislation or politics because he didn't want to look bad or tarnish his shiny image.

yet he was cool w/ being 'most liberal member' of the senate?

it felt to me more like he was a young member of an institution that values seniority more than anything else

Barack Obama IS YOUNGMEMBER

I don't know if this is a stupid question or not but I'll ask it anyway: what is the point of Ralph Nader (or any other non-Dem/Rep)'s candidacy? If voting was compulsory like it is over here (Belgium), I'd see the point of having an alternative for the "lesser of two evils" choice, but since it isn't and the unhappy/uninterested can stay at home, why does he bother?

so that the dem candidates feel obligated to address issues that nader could flank him on the left over

nader couldn't flank if he had nAIDS and more gayness

obama would eat him like some creature from before the extinction 50000 years ago

discover fire gnawn

mccaine will at least fragment the base so there won't be a draft. obama will get oft like bhutto, obv. unless america comes through on the dyke