How To Tell If You're A Liberal

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You thought Walt Disney was saccharine sweet and terminally cutesy-pie - until it made "Pocahontas."

Wau. Usually strawman viewpoints still represent SOMEONE's actual view SOMEWHERE.

what kind of vocal cords does a human soul have?

― and what, Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:01 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

soulcal cords

haha i'd forgotten our run of vanguardist retail ads up there

ah, "cultural revolution" was what that yoghurt was called. yikes.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/02/26/night.light.recall/night.light.cpsc.jpg

Make sure your home has a shining path!

― gff, Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:20 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

lmaoooooooooooooo

Frank Capra managed to fool just about everyone; even his wife was unsure of his political affiliations. Longtime co-workers who were Democrats assumed he shared their political convictions. Katharine Hepburn, who starred in his 1948 picture "State of the Union," thought him "quite liberal"; others applied the term "radical" to him. And why shouldn't they have, when Variety was calling a sympathetic character in "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town" "quasi-communistic" and The Saturday Evening Post was reporting that in the Soviet Union Capra was "hailed as a comrade"? But as Mr. McBride, the author of previous books on Howard Hawks, John Ford and Orson Welles, tells us, Capra was a lifelong Republican who never once voted for Roosevelt. He was an admirer of Franco and Mussolini. In later years, during the McCarthy period, he served as a secret F.B.I. informer.

i don't know about the later years but plenty of old-time progressive republicans from the la follette era disliked roosevelt and thought the new deal was corporatism disguised as reform (the first new deal, at least, was arguably modelled not on old-time progressivism but on wilson's wartime socialism). frankly, reading about the national recovery act (which suspended the sherman anti-trust act and, in william leuchtenburg's words, "created a series of private economic governments" or private trusts run by big corporations), it's easy to see what they meant.

that's not to say that capra didn't grow more right-wing in his later years -- i really don't know. but it's simplistic to think he was an insane reactionary just because he didn't care for roosevelt. politics wasn't that simple.

i don't know why it's shocking, State of the Union is very much fascist

I just remember he didn't like gay people too much in his autobio.

whoa wtf is the story with those insanely creepy religious stories?

where did they come from,who writes them,etc?

is that sort of thing common in america?

i'm far from being a militant atheist but there's something really unnerving about them

Posted this on the Facebook statuses thread...

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This pretty much sums up why there are two types of people in this world who will NEVER understand each other.

As she walked along under the tall elm trees, Diane asked "God" to keep her safe from harm and danger. When she reached the alley, which was a short cut to her house, she decided to take it, however, halfway down the alley she noticed a man standing at the end as though he were waiting for her. She became uneasy and began to pray, asking for "God's" protection. Instantly a comforting feeling of quietness and security wrapped around her, she felt as though someone was walking with her. When she reached the end of the alley, she walked right past the man and arrived home safely. The following day, she read in the newspaper that a young girl had been raped in the same alley, just twenty minutes after she had been there. Feeling overwhelmed by this tragedy and the fact that it could have been her, she began to weep.

Wait, what? God's intervention here was to pass the rape to somebody less religious?

Sucks to be you, heathen.

have the kids these days even heard of michael moore? get with the time ppl

You Know You're A Liberal If... blah blah blah

I can't help but notice that you could choose almost any of these illustrations at random, flip it on its head and claim that it faithfully illustrated how idiotic and irrational "conservatives" are, for example:

You agonize over threats to the social environment (pornography, promiscuity, and family dissolution) but are oblivious to threats to the natural environment (acid rain, toxic waste).

The results of such an exercise would be just as untruthful, unhelpful, smug and narrow-minded. Moreover, the whole thing pointedly excludes any reasoning as to why one might incline to one side of an issue or to another, so the strength of the reasoning can be examined instead of just the author's particular version of the conclusions.

So, who is peddling this stuff and, more importantly, why?

i prefer the cats

Liberalism manifests itself in various ways.

To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.

To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type.

To let things drift if they do not affect one personally; to say as little as possible while knowing perfectly well what is wrong, to be worldly wise and play safe and seek only to avoid blame. This is a third type.

Not to obey orders but to give pride of place to one's own opinions. To demand special consideration from the organization but to reject its discipline. This is a fourth type.

To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.

To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.

To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.

To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.

To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along--"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type.

To regard oneself as having rendered great service to the revolution, to pride oneself on being a veteran, to disdain minor assignments while being quite unequal to major tasks, to be slipshod in work and slack in study. This is a tenth type.

To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.

We could name more. But these eleven are the principal types.

They are all manifestations of liberalism.

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Liberalism manifests itself in various ways.

^^ This one is very clearly originated by an organization much enamored of Stalinism.

it's mao

Posted this on the Facebook statuses thread...

A FB friend unironically posted this on Sunday afternoon, whereupon I unironically blocked him.

which means I'm an example of the "fifth type."

Aimless, it's a similar story to the facebook meme thing I posted. But this time it's a warped misconception of liberal values as mapped/perceived by right-wingers. Like for instance the one about tolerance towards everyone except white Christians, it's almost as though whoever came up with that is saying 'well they love Muslims and other suspect types we don't like therefore they hate us' - it's an assumption that one HAS to hate something in order to be human, discounting the act of hate itself of course.

Maybe this is all obvious. I dunno. Each panel misses the point in so many ways. Like, a: I don't really know any stereotypical hippies who are hopelessly devoted to Apple, but if they were, what's the problem? It's not big business in general that liberal people are against, it's big business that grows in an irresponsible way, and as far as I know Apple is nowhere close to Enron in terms of this.

Just depressed to see people I know - people i generally believe to have brains - posting it on fb and going 'lol, so true, look at the hypocritical liberal dreadlock' as if these are the fundamental values of liberalism and not some bullshit cooked up by a Texan pastor in about 10 minutes.

I wanted to say all that on fb but I'm getting wise to spouting off on social networks, so I'm putting it here. I know this is obvious.

ha the apple one is the only one with any real zing

Xpost yeAh alfred, I nearly blocked but put it down to temporary foolishness on the part of a few misguided generally apolitical Englishers

Liberal:

We have got to KILL that attitude. https://t.co/H6jEWacJkW

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) September 13, 2023

Commie:

Capitalism will never fall on its own. It will have to be pushed. The accumulation of capital will never cease. It will have to be stopped. The capitalist class will never willingly surrender its power. It will have to be dispossessed. https://t.co/HbKEtGrjp8

— David Harvey (@profdavidharvey) September 12, 2023

When it comes time to eat the rich, please let me be the first to fill up on that sociopathic POS.

Or I will alternately accept the universe Freaky Friday-ing him into the body of a Walmart greeter.

i'd go with bundled into a car and body dumped in the weeds somewhere

wow he's the same guy who complained about millennials wasting their money on avocado toast

That guy looks exactly like an evil property developer

i don’t think adam tooze is endorsing the gurner quote in that tweet

Jude Law would play him.

(xp) He isn't but that's not the point being made.

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If you look under your bed it's all pinko and red.

I think because Tooze's grandad was a Soviet spy recruiter, the two Toozes followed him vowed to be as milquetoast as possible to restore respectability to the family name!

i don’t think adam tooze is endorsing the gurner quote in that tweet

Tooze is not only unprepared but also unarmed, he is all talk

i don’t think adam tooze is endorsing the gurner quote in that tweet

― flopson, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 bookmarkflaglink

(xp) He isn't but that's not the point being made.

― Monthly Python (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Yes, Tooze seems to think he can be talked around. That it's an attitude issue.

if i was being generous to Tooze i might argue he meant "that attitude" in the broader sense rather than specifically Gurner's

but that's irrelevant, it's dumb liberal handwringing either way

Tooze also lacks the appropriate physique to go much beyond words

food politics is a _fascinating_ topic to me

i feel like liberalism kind of leans into outrage a lot. the big difference to me is the liberal attitude is "this is a betrayal of our values" and the red and black are "this is an embodiment of capitalist values".

Maybe you KILL the attitude by killing the person who holds it hehe

Gurner is just saying what 99% of executives already believe and our Federal Reserve has tried to make happen for almost two years now. Quiet part loud, etc..

I say old boy, no true gent of hedge fund management or whatever the fuck untrammelled greed shit you do says the quiet part out loud on a public platform

Maybe you KILL the attitude by killing the person who holds it hehe

While this is true, and obviously Tooze lacks the minerals for such a task, there have to be questions about whether Harvey is any more likely

While this is true, and obviously Tooze lacks the minerals for such a task, there have to be questions about whether Harvey is any more likely

― anvil

of course not, anti-capitalist revolution doesn't hinge on whether or not some 87-year-old white professor kills someone or not. it's not contingent on killing anybody at all. liberals look at phrases like "dispossession of the capitalist class" and automatically impute violence to us, while continuing to ignore the structural violence of the systems they endorse. "eat the rich" is a good slogan, but are any of them even gluten-free? i don't eat gluten.

what's interesting is that tooze is lampshading the violence inherent in the system, if you will... but does he recognize it for what it is?

Probably gonna have to “re-educate” most of the capitalist class, tbf.