The Michael Mann poll

Looks so bad.

Bet it'll be good, much better than the trailer produced by Legendary's marketing department.

but no the trailer is the film iirc

morbius what michael mann is good, i never really got it. i kinda liked thief.

*don't ask Morbs*

Thief is one I can't rewatch.

he got better at commissioning dopey electronic scores and putting Strong Man and Supporting Woman in more dialectical and interesting compositional ways later.

diner scene pretty stellar though

I still haven't seen Thief. I liked Last of the Mohicans and, with reservations, Heat. Manhunter was OK.

hey thank you. haven't seen last of the mohicans. & manhunter is kinda ehh to me. i am always just so bemused by the superlatives about his artistry & colour; can anyone rep for demonstrations of this in action, beyond like taxicab-night-photography in collateral?

actually p down with tangerine dream in thief, btw, alfred, & found james caan a pretty singular Strong Man portrait.

Great: Manhunter, Miami Vice
Reasonably OK: Collateral, Public Enemies, The Insider
Not a fan: Mohicans, Ali

I'm down with LOFM.

Paul Schrader wrote recently about how Collateral showed how you could see into the dark of night digitally, my reaction to which is idgaf.

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1156584/photo_15_hires.jpg

That frame (I love his MV, esp the version with the cold open) is why Mann goes digital so much lately. Because short CGI work, there is no other easy way to light that shot. He's really into trying to capture what the night looks to our eyes, not stylized for film. Which of course it still ends up being.

My faves may be Heat, Collateral, Thief and maybe at the top The Insider. Mid for me is Manhunter, Mohicans. Bottom is Ali and Public Enemies, though both are worth watching, esp. his director's cut of the former.

Putting gray hair on both Cruise and Crowe = we are watching a really snazzily photographed high-school play.

My fave quote about MM is Armond White's "You know less about Ali when the movie's over than you did when it began."

Favorites, in order: Thief, Heat (though Pacino is close to intolerable for most of it), Miami Vice (especially if you watch it with the sound off), Collateral (I'd love it so much more if it ended right after Foxx flips the taxi, though).
Middle tier: The Insider, Manhunter.
Bottom: Ali, Public Enemies.

Haven't seen Last of the Mohicans or The Keep.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/a_film_by/conversations/topics/14749

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fmVg4srR-Pk/UjdKzaLTIPI/AAAAAAAAOrE/YrZlzYBr5Og/s1600/Tom+Sizemore+Heat+film.jpg

One of the more subtle aspects of "Collateral" is that the events that take place would not have happened had Jamie Foxx not been such a good cabbie that he gets Jada (on Cruise's hit list) where she's going early, which throws off the otherwise meticulous Tom Cruise. That he is subsequently forced to shuttle Cruise is, how you say, dramatic irony.

Heh "Mann poll."

One of the blind stupid aspects of "Collateral" is that the events that take place would not have happened had Tom Cruise rented a car.

A tourist in LA? He'd get stuck in traffic because he doesn't know the secret routes.

shit is that really supposed to be the plot device

I actually don't remember! It's possible he blames Jamie Foxx for messing up his ride?

Max's next fare is a businessman named Vincent (Tom Cruise) who exits the building just after Annie entered. Vincent is impressed by Max's skill at navigating the streets of LA and offers Max $600 to drive him for the entire night, against regulations. Max reluctantly agrees, the money too much to pass up. As Max waits at the first stop, a man falls onto the cab roof from above. Vincent has killed his first of five marks for the night, drug dealer Ramón Ayala, and is forced to reveal himself as a hitman. He coerces Max to hide the body in the trunk, clean up the car and continue with their arrangement.

I guess the idea is he needs a getaway driver?

The plan, except that the first guy he shot went out the window, was to have Max drive him to six stops then to LAX for a flight out. As if he were a notary or a lawyer or something, getting signatures.

Didn't know this until now:

Collateral sat on DreamWorks' development books for three years. Mimi Leder was initially attached to direct, it then passed on to Janusz Kamiński. It wasn't until Russell Crowe became interested in playing Vincent that the project started generating any heat. Crowe brought Michael Mann on board, but the constant delays meant that Crowe left the project. Mann immediately went to Tom Cruise with the idea of him playing the hitman and Adam Sandler as the cabbie.

Beattie wanted the studio to cast Robert De Niro as Max (once again making him a taxi driver, though the exact opposite of Travis Bickle). However, the studio refused, insisting they wanted a younger actor in the role.

Collateral is so awesome, though Tom Cruise pretty much ruins every movie for me. Yeah, the plot is stupid, from beginning to end, but it's so beautiful! Then again, I'm a sucker for digital that goes for a digital aesthetic and not just fake-celluloid.

my favorite jason statham role, too

Great: Manhunter, Miami Vice
Reasonably OK: Collateral, Public Enemies, The Insider
Not a fan: Mohicans, Ali

― Eric H., Friday, September 26, 2014 12:32 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agree w this hierarchy 100% except i like them all, manhunter is my fav, put heat and thief in the middle tier, the keep is kinda weird and doesnt count, l.a. takedown is the tv movie he made of heat before he made heat and is a lol for sure

and miami vice the tv show is classic needless to say

Reasonably OK: Collateral, Public Enemies, The Insider

all bad imo. nothing movies.

pft u dont move

blackhat looks like it could have a substantial number of miami vice '06-style michael mann moments

and of course the obligatory MM signature intense gun shooting scene

what i love about MM is he directs the coolest, most composed movies in a lot of ways and then his meaningful scenes have a heavy dose of something like sevendust on the sndtrk. i actually do love that about him, no sarcasm.

wld be interested in seeing a realistic hacking movie, team of eastern european nerds working for the mob steals huge cache of customer info from a large consumer goods company, consumer goods company calls their insurance provider, government agency tracks the attack to its country of origin, shrugs

i'd like to see a movie where a rogue band of russians shoots down a passenger jet, NATO assembles, investigators are hampered, attack is tracked to likely group of origin, world shrugs.

the part of reality that makes for poor cinema is all the shrugging

to be fair:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/937887/death-shrug-o.gif

the part of reality that makes for poor cinema is all the shrugging

spoken like a true leech

http://commdiginews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AtlasShrugged3-640.jpg

what i love about MM is he directs the coolest, most composed movies in a lot of ways and then his meaningful scenes have a heavy dose of something like sevendust on the sndtrk. i actually do love that about him, no sarcasm.

I keep some Cornell on the iPod in case I ever come across a coyote crossing the street

whenever i'm driving my gunmetal blue four door charger, deep in a brood sesh after offing some mid-level heroin dealers who were pushing into my territory, i always get my lisa gerrard on

Who wouldn't?

I'm still annoyed that this didn't happen: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2011/may/27/michael-mann-go-like-hell - if anyone could surpass the look and feel of McQueen's Le Mans...

Go Like Hell is now apparently a Tom Cruise movie and the Oblivion guy is directing.

Trailer is terrible but I'll still watch this.

Late career Mann masterpiece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6joglwxWuo

Hell, just because:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JJip8Wk0Ag

The pilot is the only ep he directed, right?

According to IMDB, the pilot was directed by Thomas Carter. Mann established the style, and executive produced all 111 episodes, though according to this avclub profile, he was really out of there after two years.

Long, long interview transcript:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/legendary-newsman-mike-wallace-detested-734792