who is going to the Climate March on Sunday? should I march with the NY Green Party?
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:01 (eleven years ago)
According to the subway ads, you should be marching with ''bankers,'' whom I was given to understand were part of the problem.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:03 (eleven years ago)
I'll be behind them, throwing rocks
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 14:10 (eleven years ago)
a fine sir
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:43 (eleven years ago)
a whole heap of my friends will be there and i'm debating whether or not to bus up myself
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:44 (eleven years ago)
don't try man, it's never worth it
― Nhex, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 18:58 (eleven years ago)
NYC-centric events list before/during weekend
http://peoplesclimate.org/events/
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:48 (eleven years ago)
btw I just got an NY Green Party email which states "It is strongly advised to be within the march area by 10:30am to avoid being shut out if the march reaches capacity."
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 September 2014 19:23 (eleven years ago)
Krugman's got your back, sorta:
I’ve just been reading two new reports on the economics of fighting climate change: a big study by a blue-ribbon international group, the New Climate Economy Project, and a working paper from the International Monetary Fund. Both claim that strong measures to limit carbon emissions would have hardly any negative effect on economic growth, and might actually lead to faster growth. This may sound too good to be true, but it isn’t. These are serious, careful analyses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/opinion/paul-krugman-could-fighting-global-warming-be-cheap-and-free.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=MostEmailed&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 September 2014 14:46 (eleven years ago)
It would just involve decimating one industry (the carbon fuels industry) in favor of another. It would be a net positive but lets not pretend the carbon cartels will be ok w it.
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 20 September 2014 17:12 (eleven years ago)
When you take into account the economic benefits of avoiding or mitigating ecological and human catastrophes (near-impossible to estimate in a way that resonates with human beings) in addition to just the GDP-style economic impacts (easier to estimate), putting a price on carbon had made sense for a very long time. The problem is obtaining the political will to enact it, and that seems impossible, at least in the United States
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 September 2014 19:09 (eleven years ago)
i know where io is marching, where is a hoos?
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 September 2014 12:20 (eleven years ago)
Technically not climate change related, but potentially relevant to everything
World wildlife populations halved in 40 years - report
The global loss of species is even worse than previously thought, the London Zoological Society (ZSL) says in its new Living Planet Index.The report suggests populations have halved in 40 years, as new methodology gives more alarming results than in a report two years ago.The report says populations of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish have declined by an average of 52%.Populations of freshwater species have suffered an even worse fall of 76%.Compiling a global average of species decline involves tricky statistics, often comparing disparate data sets - and some critics say the exercise is not statistically valid.An elephant and calf walk along the grasslands in Kenya. File photoThe Living Planet Index tracks more than 10,000 vertebrate species populations from 1970 to 2010The team at the zoological society say they've improved their methodology since their last report two years ago - but the results are even more alarming.Then they estimated that wildlife was down "only" around 30%. Whatever the numbers, it seems clear that wildlife is continuing to be driven out by human activity.The society's report, in conjunction with the pressure group WWF, says humans are cutting down trees more quickly than they can re-grow, harvesting more fish than the oceans can re-stock, pumping water from rivers and aquifers faster than rainfall can replenish them, and emitting more carbon than oceans and forests can absorb.It catalogues areas of severe impact - in Ghana, the lion population in one reserve is down 90% in 40 years.In West Africa, forest felling has restricted forest elephants to 6-7% of their historic range.Globally, habitat loss and hunting have reduced tigers from 100,000 a century ago to just 3,000.
The report suggests populations have halved in 40 years, as new methodology gives more alarming results than in a report two years ago.
The report says populations of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish have declined by an average of 52%.
Populations of freshwater species have suffered an even worse fall of 76%.
Compiling a global average of species decline involves tricky statistics, often comparing disparate data sets - and some critics say the exercise is not statistically valid.
An elephant and calf walk along the grasslands in Kenya. File photoThe Living Planet Index tracks more than 10,000 vertebrate species populations from 1970 to 2010The team at the zoological society say they've improved their methodology since their last report two years ago - but the results are even more alarming.
Then they estimated that wildlife was down "only" around 30%. Whatever the numbers, it seems clear that wildlife is continuing to be driven out by human activity.
The society's report, in conjunction with the pressure group WWF, says humans are cutting down trees more quickly than they can re-grow, harvesting more fish than the oceans can re-stock, pumping water from rivers and aquifers faster than rainfall can replenish them, and emitting more carbon than oceans and forests can absorb.
It catalogues areas of severe impact - in Ghana, the lion population in one reserve is down 90% in 40 years.
In West Africa, forest felling has restricted forest elephants to 6-7% of their historic range.
Globally, habitat loss and hunting have reduced tigers from 100,000 a century ago to just 3,000.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 09:41 (eleven years ago)
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2014/10/01/antarctic-ice-melt-changing-earths-gravity/
― cichleee suite (Leee), Friday, 3 October 2014 19:56 (eleven years ago)
That is not acceptable.
― jmm, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:05 (eleven years ago)
xpI read that the other day and was thinking back in the Mesozoic era there wasn't any ice at either of the poles and what is the relevance of gravity fluctuations around the earth when we are going into an irreversible anthropocene extinction event? It is the least of our worries surely.
― xelab, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:20 (eleven years ago)
I guess I knew that tigers were endangered, but holy fuck. Are there even going to be tigers left in a few decades?
Also all those other species. :( Fuck.
― jmm, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:22 (eleven years ago)
The only reason there is a tiny amount of tigers and larger terrestrial animals left in Africa is that we evolved with them and they knew how dangerous we were, they didn't fare so well on the continents we immigrated to. It really is fucking shite that bio-diversity on this planet will be reduced to humanity and cattle :(
― xelab, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:38 (eleven years ago)
And rats and cockroaches.
― cichleee suite (Leee), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:52 (eleven years ago)
I'd guess insects could be a good shout to be the beneficiaries/conquerors of a post-anthropocene wasteland.
― xelab, Friday, 3 October 2014 21:09 (eleven years ago)
I'm looking forward to a splendid diversity of toxic algaes.
― jmm, Friday, 3 October 2014 21:12 (eleven years ago)
what is the relevance of gravity fluctuations around the earth when we are going into an irreversible anthropocene extinction event
The GRACE mission data is produced for the entire planet, and confirms aquifer depletion and glacial melts everywhere. If it takes a $127 million mission to convince the handful of persuadables that Antarctica is in net mass loss (as GRACE has), then its money well spent.
Plus, when the intelligent rodentiforms unearth our titanium time capsules 40 million years from now, we might be able to warn them about the perils of fossil fuels.
― TTAGGGTTAGGG (Sanpaku), Friday, 3 October 2014 21:16 (eleven years ago)
Jellyfish and squid are having their best years in eons, now that we've knocked the keystone predators down a few notches.
― TTAGGGTTAGGG (Sanpaku), Friday, 3 October 2014 21:20 (eleven years ago)
I have always said its gonna be us vs. cephalopods
insects reached evolutionary stasis eons ago
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 October 2014 21:25 (eleven years ago)
I would love get a deep time view of what actually happens..
"now that we've knocked the keystone predators down a few notches"
How is this happening? They getting bigger or humans weakening the predators?
― xelab, Friday, 3 October 2014 21:27 (eleven years ago)
Tuna population is about 5-10% what it was a century ago, likewise for sharks and other top predators. Jeremy Jackson covers the downstream effects in this TED talk.
― TTAGGGTTAGGG (Sanpaku), Friday, 3 October 2014 21:33 (eleven years ago)
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MtLQ5YBr--/18lor1mbq6t4ejpg.jpg
http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.9607093.7321/fig,white,mens,ffffff.jpg
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 4 October 2014 03:18 (eleven years ago)
It appears that Internet humor is the only thing strong enough to offset just how unpredictable the next 50 years is going to be like.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 4 October 2014 03:19 (eleven years ago)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--AF5w9M3hvg/VDGmpNwWkoI/AAAAAAAAVHw/utB0l_JsJEk/s1600/Screenshot%2B2014-10-05%2Bat%2B1.13.52%2BPM.png
― Karl Malone, Monday, 6 October 2014 12:06 (eleven years ago)
Oceans Getting Hotter Than Anybody Realized
...Research published Sunday concluded that the upper 2,300 feet of the Southern Hemisphere’s oceans may have warmed twice as quickly after 1970 than had previously been thought. Gathering reliable ocean data in the Southern Hemisphere has historically been a challenge, given its remoteness and its relative paucity of commercial shipping, which helps gather ocean data. Argo floats and satellites are now helping to plug Austral ocean data gaps, and improving the accuracy of Northern Hemisphere measurements and estimates.“The Argo data is really critical,” said Paul Durack, a Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory researcher who led the new study, which was published in Climate Nature Change. “The estimates that we had up until now have been pretty systematically underestimating the likely changes.”Durack and Lawrence Livermore colleagues worked with a Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist to compare ocean observations with ocean models. They concluded that the upper levels of the planet’s oceans — those of the northern and southern hemispheres combined — had been warming during several decades prior to 2005 at rates that were 24 to 58 percent faster than had previously been realized....“Even if we stopped all greenhouse gas emissions today, we'd still have an ocean that is warmer than the ocean of 1950, and that heat commits us to a warmer climate,” Gille said. “Extra heat means extra sea level rise, since warmer water is less dense, so a warmer ocean expands.”Ocean warming is exacerbating flooding caused by the melting of glaciers and other ice. Seas have risen 8 inches since the industrial revolution, and they continue to rise at a hastening pace, worsening floods and boosting storm surges near shorelines around the world. Another 2 to 7 feet of sea level rise is forecast this century, jeoparizing the homes and neighborhoods of the 5 million Americans who live less than 4 feet above high tide, as well as those of the hundreds of millions living along coastlines in other countries.
“The Argo data is really critical,” said Paul Durack, a Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory researcher who led the new study, which was published in Climate Nature Change. “The estimates that we had up until now have been pretty systematically underestimating the likely changes.”
Durack and Lawrence Livermore colleagues worked with a Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist to compare ocean observations with ocean models. They concluded that the upper levels of the planet’s oceans — those of the northern and southern hemispheres combined — had been warming during several decades prior to 2005 at rates that were 24 to 58 percent faster than had previously been realized.
...“Even if we stopped all greenhouse gas emissions today, we'd still have an ocean that is warmer than the ocean of 1950, and that heat commits us to a warmer climate,” Gille said. “Extra heat means extra sea level rise, since warmer water is less dense, so a warmer ocean expands.”
Ocean warming is exacerbating flooding caused by the melting of glaciers and other ice. Seas have risen 8 inches since the industrial revolution, and they continue to rise at a hastening pace, worsening floods and boosting storm surges near shorelines around the world. Another 2 to 7 feet of sea level rise is forecast this century, jeoparizing the homes and neighborhoods of the 5 million Americans who live less than 4 feet above high tide, as well as those of the hundreds of millions living along coastlines in other countries.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 6 October 2014 12:09 (eleven years ago)
but surely the hippies were wrong, and punk rock will save us
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:04 (eleven years ago)
Fracking Footprint Seen From Space
An unexpectedly high amount of the climate-changing gas methane, the main component of natural gas, is escaping from the Four Corners region in the US Southwest, according to a new study by the University of Michigan and NASA...."There's so much coalbed methane in the Four Corners area, it doesn't need to be that crazy of a leak rate to produce the emissions that we see. A lot of the infrastructure is likely contributing," said Eric Kort, assistant professor of atmospheric, oceanic and space sciences at the U-M College of Engineering.Kort, first author of a paper on the findings published in Geophysical Research Letters, says the controversial natural gas extraction technique of hydraulic fracturing is not the main culprit."We see this large signal and it's persistent since 2003," Kort said. "That's a pre- fracking timeframe in this region. While fracking has become a focal point in conversations about methane emissions, it certainly appears from this and other studies that in the U.S., fossil fuel extraction activities across the board likely emit higher than inventory estimates."While the signal represents the highest concentration of methane seen from space, the researchers caution that Four Corners isn't necessarily the highest emitting region."One has to be somewhat careful in equating abundances with emissions," said study contributor Christian Frankenberg at Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "The Four Corners methane source is in a relatively isolated area with little other methane emissions, hence causing a well distinguishable hot-spot in methane abundances. Local or more diffuse emissions in other areas, such as the eastern U.S., may be convoluted with other nearby sources."
..."There's so much coalbed methane in the Four Corners area, it doesn't need to be that crazy of a leak rate to produce the emissions that we see. A lot of the infrastructure is likely contributing," said Eric Kort, assistant professor of atmospheric, oceanic and space sciences at the U-M College of Engineering.
Kort, first author of a paper on the findings published in Geophysical Research Letters, says the controversial natural gas extraction technique of hydraulic fracturing is not the main culprit.
"We see this large signal and it's persistent since 2003," Kort said. "That's a pre- fracking timeframe in this region. While fracking has become a focal point in conversations about methane emissions, it certainly appears from this and other studies that in the U.S., fossil fuel extraction activities across the board likely emit higher than inventory estimates."While the signal represents the highest concentration of methane seen from space, the researchers caution that Four Corners isn't necessarily the highest emitting region.
"One has to be somewhat careful in equating abundances with emissions," said study contributor Christian Frankenberg at Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "The Four Corners methane source is in a relatively isolated area with little other methane emissions, hence causing a well distinguishable hot-spot in methane abundances. Local or more diffuse emissions in other areas, such as the eastern U.S., may be convoluted with other nearby sources."
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:51 (eleven years ago)
(no idea why the headline mentions fracking, since the point of the article is that there are other huge releases of methane being detected that aren't the direct result of fracking.)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:53 (eleven years ago)
evil liberal media, naturally
― Nhex, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:57 (eleven years ago)
NASA: Earth Just Experienced the Warmest Six-Month Stretch Ever Recorded
Over the weekend, NASA announced that last month was the warmest September since global records have been kept. What’s more, the last six months were collectively the warmest middle half of the year in NASA’s records—dating back to 1880.The record-breaking burst of warmth was kicked off by an exceptionally warm April—the first month in at least 800,000 years that atmospheric carbon dioxide reached 400 parts per million.
The record-breaking burst of warmth was kicked off by an exceptionally warm April—the first month in at least 800,000 years that atmospheric carbon dioxide reached 400 parts per million.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:48 (eleven years ago)
high in the mid-70s today along the mid-atlantic seaboard. october is the new september
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 00:18 (eleven years ago)
http://www.thenation.com/authors/naomi-klein
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 00:30 (eleven years ago)
in a better world, GOP politicians would be taken to task every day for theirhilarious insane contradicting position RE: climate change and their support for the military. the DoD just released an update to their Climate Change Adaptation Roadmap (CCAR). the position of the DoD on climate change is unambiguous; the first sentence is "Climate change will affect the Department of Defense's ability to defend the nation and poses immediate risks to U.S. national security." (italics mine)
i don't blame GOP fools for downplaying (aka not mentioning it at all, ever) the DoD's stance on climate change. but it's ridiculous that they're not called out on it more often, considering they support just about everything else the military does. why is it different with climate change? if they don't trust climate scientists and they don't trust "academics" and they don't trust SCIENCE, it seems like one of the next pillars of authority would be the military and religious organizations - both of which recognize climate change and support doing something to mitigate it.
http://www.acq.osd.mil/ie/download/CCARprint.pdf
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 13:15 (eleven years ago)
maybe now they can't trust the military? the kenyan jihad to weaken america by brainwashing us with climate "science" has infiltrated our armed forces! socialism! impeach!
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 13:50 (eleven years ago)
That's...kinda true. (In re: not trusting the military, or rather, ascribing them to being 'pressured' by politicians who are not themselves. Which oddly enough doesn't seem to apply when they themselves are in charge but hey.)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 14:37 (eleven years ago)
maybe the core question is Who do republicans still trust?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 15:08 (eleven years ago)
Big Oil? But even ExxonMobil and Chevron and BP are acknowledging that carbon emissions might have something to do with this thing called climate change, so I guess maybe I should say the Kochtopus instead?
It's an interesting mindset that they have, where they can be so paranoid and apocalyptic about one looming middle- to long-range threat (e.g. debt) but dismiss out of hand another (climate), and by "interesting" I mean depressing, and by "debt" I mean "debt when a Democrat is occupying the White House."
― cichleee suite (Leee), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:46 (eleven years ago)
Whoever signs their checks?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:57 (eleven years ago)
So Lockheed Martin is claiming a breakthrough in fusion that could be ready for widespread use in a decadeMight we have a shot at surviving after all?
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 20:31 (eleven years ago)
fusion would be awesome. unfortunately it's been 'a decade away' for the past several decades. also highly unfortunate is that since there is a lengthy 'lag' between GHG emissions and their effect on temperature and sea levels that is decades long. in other words, even if the world miraculously went zero-carbon tomorrow we would still experience increasingly shitty effects of climate change for the next hundred years.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 20:56 (eleven years ago)
hey guys i dug deep into the synthesis report of IPCC's report, and found something that will absolutely shock you. these "scientists" (taking money from the envirofascist money machine, in many cases), buried information on the costs of mitigating climate change. see pg. SPM-17 in the report if you want to see for yourself, but let me warn you: bring along a roll of paper towels because you will feel unclean and nasty after you fully understand the economic implications of taking strong enough action on climate change to keep overall warming under 2 degrees celsius through the 21st century. Here we go. deep breath. it would require:
an annualized reduction of consumption growth by 0.04 to 0.14 (median: 0.06) percentage points over the century relative to annualized consumption growth in the baseline that is between 1.6 percent and 3 percent per year (high confidence).
you can't fool me with fancy numbers, envirofascists! i translated the figures into a handy chart, using a starting point of $85 trillion for today's Global World Product, 2.3% for annualized growth under the baseline scenario (halfway between their high confidence range marks) and 2.24% for annualized growth under the aggressive action mitigation strategy (the baseline rate of 2.3% minus the median 0.06 reduction of consumption growth).
take a look at the end of the world:
http://i.imgur.com/QhkozU6.jpg
let me summarize the the summary report of a giant group of climate scientists summarizing the reports of other people who have summarized reports: if we take the kind of action we need to take, right now, to keep 21st century warming at levels that are not catastrophic, it's going to make the overall Global World Product move from that upper line to the lower line.
WE CAN'T LET THIS STAND
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 15:02 (eleven years ago)
What ~AGENDA 21~ doesn't want you to see!!!!111!
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 15:05 (eleven years ago)
that $30 trillion gap at 2100...just think of all the megaspaceyachts that won't be built, all the extra caviar that will not be ordered, the 6th floor second penthouse that won't even be considered by rich people sitting in their primary penthouse..it's just fucking sad
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 15:07 (eleven years ago)
Not to mention the price of caviar would likely shoot up catastrophically by that point!
― Big Orange Machine (Leee), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 16:54 (eleven years ago)
That $30 trillion gap is irrelevant after the financial structure readjusts to a world that is uninsurable and unaffordable.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 04:07 (eleven years ago)