This show is far more brazenly not about the plot or the "mystery" than most
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 8 September 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
I hear season 2 is all new cast and new global cataclysm to mope about
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Monday, 8 September 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
xp i suppose. really really hold a lot of enmity toward the lost team still, you know?
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Mr Veg and I were bracing for full-Lindelof handwavey ending shenanigans and were pleasantly surprised to find that there wasn't really any of that.
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 September 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
k, will try.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
I don't know, I really dug this show but the finale tipped me off that they didn't really know exactly what they were doing...the whole Wayne storyline was only compelling to the extent that it portended some connection to the vanishing, plus I assumed we'd get some backstory on him before they wrote him off.
Also, I get that the remainder people are devoted to fucking with people, but when it elevates logistically & elaborately like this—that they are smuggling lookalike dummies into people's homes, there needs to be some commensurate insight into their belief system or something beyond just "Duh we're making them remember" again. The acting is so good on this show but the emotional amplitude esp. in the finale seemed independent of the storyline.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
just because they wrote him off doesn't mean we won't get back story imo -- this show goes hard w/ flashbacks, and it's a good portion of the storytelling
as for the commensurate insight into their belief system for me, part of the 'appeal' of the Guilty Remnants is that they *are* so circumspect. And I feel like I know enough about how they roll through the exposition given piecemeal here and there to take this whole event as them somehow, idk, levelling up their presence in the town. and that they did it knowing that shit would go crazy. like, it seems like part of their motivation is chaos-driven. how do we NOT allow status quo. or the short version of all that is that I didn't mind that there was no big explanation.
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 September 2014 20:15 (nine years ago) link
they've done such a good job developing the key characters enough for me to engage with them and their journeys, where I don't mind that i'm not getting answers to the big crazy important questions that keep arising
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 September 2014 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Probably the best prism through which to view the show: http://www.vox.com/2014/9/7/6116687/leftovers-depression-hbo
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 8 September 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
That's true, and the backstory episode was my favorite of the season. I don't really want a big explanation, I would just to feel like the characters themselves know wtf is going on, and after the finale I have this sinking feeling that the GR circumspection (which yes is appealing) is just the writers' proxy cluelessness. For example, maybe I'm thick but I still can't square away why Patti would brutally murder one of her own (lady tied to tree)—that's not a big crazy question, it's just a mechanical plot thing that for me at least was insufficiently explained and comes off more like it was thrown at the wall for effect.
― Hadrian VIII, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
xpost vg
"I hear season 2 is all new cast and new global cataclysm to mope about"
what? or is that a True Detective joke?
― akm, Monday, 8 September 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
meh this is just L O S T except with mysterious deer instead of mysterious polar bears
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 8 September 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link
tbf the mysterious deer that wrecks houses is more like the mysterious boar that wrecks the camp than like the polar bears
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:03 (nine years ago) link
fine fine but the flashbacks to LIFE BEFORE are exactly like the flashbacks to LIFE BEFORE
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:27 (nine years ago) link
loved the nina at the beginning
― Heez, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 03:10 (nine years ago) link
ok finished this, was a good ending, not sure what in the world they will do with next season. focus on different people?
― akm, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bZVUU3zbXk
― i'd like to remain nora durst (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link
new season makes Eccleston and Coon regulars while greatly shrinking the supporting cast. I'll be shocked if it's not considerably improved (and I liked s1 a lot)
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
i'm rewatching the first season right now, which i adore.
indications seem to be that this season will be less relentlessly bleak and more weird - basically going to a new town, one where not a single departure occurred
― i'd like to remain nora durst (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
will there be less justin theroux hot cop
if so i will be deeply, deeply disappointed
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
gotta say tho i'm legit weirded out by the amount of smiling in the promo photos, it's SO WEIRD, HOW DOES JILL EVEN UNDERSTAND SMILINGhttp://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/07/LEF1tumblr_nsbu2pGjpm1qz8vumo1_540.jpg
― i'd like to remain nora durst (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link
xp he's still the lead!
― i'd like to remain nora durst (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
he's not in the teaser, i am right to be concerned
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
fear nothttp://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA4LzAxL2JmL2xlZnRvdmVyczEuNGE1YjcuanBnCnAJdGh1bWIJODUweDg1MD4KZQlqcGc/97ba84f3/383/leftovers-1.jpg
― i'd like to remain nora durst (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link
i don't think he's a cop anymore though
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 21:25 (eight years ago) link
I think this show learned from all the mistakes of Lost, which is, just relish in the weird, there doesn't need to be an answer for everything, this is the situation, here is how people are dealing.
― akm, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 00:11 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, though part of the point of season 1 was that everyone was incredibly depressed because there was no answer to what had happened... I think The Leftovers is very aware of the human need for answers. That's what makes the whole thing so depressing.
Also: I love this show, and it really made me think that Lindelof might be the smart one, and that he was just hamstrung on Lost. Then I saw Prometheus...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 00:17 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, Lost was a real cautionary tale in that respect. It insisted that everything would be explained but (a) lots of things weren't and (b) the explanations that were delivered were annoying. Maybe that was a pendulum swing away from Twin Peaks and now it's swung back. The fact that Lindelof himself is part of that swing just adds another layer to his endless psychodrama over the fallout from the Lost finale. I swear his therapist is sick of hearing about it. "Time to move on, Damon. It's OK. Everybody's mad at True Detective now."
― A swarm of antipathy (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 00:20 (eight years ago) link
It's just entertainment. On TV.
― calstars, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:11 (eight years ago) link
Yeah dont go crowning Lindelof over this. This is the exception that proves the rule. He's still not to be trusted in any way shape or form.
Plus this hasnt ended yet. Theres still plenty of time to Lindelof it.
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 06:03 (eight years ago) link
also wasn't season one mostly adaptation while going forward its all original material? harder to fuck it up when you've got a blueprint.
― (extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 06:27 (eight years ago) link
re: season 1, the basic situation/plot/characters are the novel's, but the emotional tone and much of what happens to the characters is new stuff written by lindelof and perrota
iirc perotta is still around in the writer's room, and it could be he's a good influence on lindelof
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 09:31 (eight years ago) link
also man oh man almost six years later and no one's over the freakin' contents of that church at the end of LOST, dizamn
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 09:33 (eight years ago) link
I mean, I'm mostly kidding bc I understand how that ending was frustrating (it was w/e to me, not great but about as competently executed as could be expected given how much it had sprawled? disregarding, momentarily, the question of whether it should have sprawled like that in the first place)
overall though I think lindelof is one of the better forces for speculative fiction (in TV and lesser extent in film) we have, which might stem from the fact that we have so few but he's ambitious and versatile and devoted to character and weird atmosphere.
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 12:14 (eight years ago) link
fp'd u for that tbh
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link
i'm sayin, no chill to be had over that ish
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 15:03 (eight years ago) link
I agree that Lindelof's strength is in sustaining a compelling mood/tone, and hopefully Perotta's influence will keep his other, more annoying tendencies in check.
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
full trailer http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/04/leftovers-season-2-trailer?hootPostID=2e93d452a3a05a5c7cbb2ff55d66de66
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
Showrunner Damon Lindelof has said the new season will have a stronger “narrative engine” compared to the more meditative first season.
hmmmmmm
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
narrative engine powered by polar bear pushing a wheel
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
we have to get to the cabin
― nose, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
is everyone returning for season 2? liv tyler?
― akm, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
they're getting rid of quite a few of the supporting cast but Liv is in the trailer
― Number None, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 22:03 (eight years ago) link
new reviews are largely glowing, incl. a few by people who were not necessarily high on the first season
premieres sunday night, and i mean it's not like this week's SNF is gonna be good so c'mon y'all
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 2 October 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
I've heard that all the episodes are going to be like those couple of one-character point of view ones they did in the first season, as those were the most well liked.
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 2 October 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link
also the GR is pretty much gone now
remind me what the GR is
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 October 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
guilty remnant
― Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Friday, 2 October 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link
oh yeah thx
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 October 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link