2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

yup, the thinking must be that it makes her look like the big one who's trying to heal the party, and will make him look churlish to say no... an Obama victory somewhere would make this look kind of silly, but i never have a good sense for how these things will play.

Couldn't Obama say no by claiming to "want to get more experience"

couldn't Obama just ask why she's trying to put him in the passenger seat when he's got 100 more delegates?

Couldn't he just say that he'd prefer to remain in the Senate, or that it's premature to talk about this? I think this is the least of his worries.

there's some weird campaign logic in "obama is an slick empty suit kept standing only by the hot air of his rhetoric, and gosh, i think'd he make a great vice president."

couldn't Obama just ask why she's trying to put him in the passenger seat when he's got 100 more delegates?

Shril is like fat Muhammad Ali "winning" fights against stiffs in the late '70s, you gotta knock her out to win.

dr morbius supports beating a woman til she's unconscious

Obama clearly doesn't want to work with a woman, he just sacked that adviser chick.

Obama clearly doesn't want to work with a womanThat is, of course, exactly the impression the Clinton campaign was hoping to create with this. I'm really surprised Obama's people fell for it, to be honest.

yeah, and her last name is Power, which further signifies Obama's misogyny.

For what it's worth, her name also reminded me of Susan Powter for the first time in a while:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514X2ZATCVL._AA280_.jpg

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mm. that didn't work. nevermind.

i see a susan powter emoticon, is that what you intended?

Yes! But it wasn't as impressive as I hoped it would be

susan powter IS fido dido

WAS (she has loads of hair now http://www.susanpowteronline.com/index.php/photos/ )

Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) has consistently spoken out and voted against granting retroactive immunity for telecoms that participated with the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program. This stance was part of the reason he won the support of Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT), a leader on civil liberties issues.

One of Obama’s advisers on intelligence and foreign policy advisers, however, is someone who “strongly” supports telecomm immunity. John Brennan is a former CIA official and the current chairman of the Intelligence and National Security Alliance. In a new National Journal interview, Brennan makes it clear that he agrees with the Bush administration on the issue of immunity:

There is this great debate over whether or not the telecom companies should in fact be given immunity for their agreement to provide support and cooperate with the government after 9/11. I do believe strongly that they should be granted that immunity, because they were told to do so by the appropriate authorities that were operating in a legal context, and so I think that’s important. And I know people are concerned about that, but I do believe that’s the right thing to do. I do believe the Senate version of the FISA bill addresses the issues appropriately.

These corporations may not have been acting within law, which is why many of them are now pushing for immunity. They chose to break the law and profited greatly from doing so. (At least one company refused to comply with the Bush administration’s request because it knew the actions were illegal.)

Because they complied in illegally wiretapping their customers, telecoms currently face around 40 lawsuits. Telecomms have nothing to fear from going to court, as long as they can prove that what they did is lawful.

Brennan also warned the next president from making any partisan “knee-jerk” decisions on intelligence when he or she takes office.

http://www.aolcdn.com/aolportal/ws-03-bill-clinton-200jc030708.jpg

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/03/heilemann_monstergate_woke_the.html

But Monstergate, I think, reflects something deeper: the fact that many of the people around Obama have grown accustomed to, shall we say, a forgiving national press corps. Retroactive declarations of off-the-recordness happen all the time. Whether the journalist confronted with one chooses to let it slide or be a hard-ass is a matter of discretion. How much do you like the source? How much do you need the source? It's fair to say that many people in Obama's circle believe that Clinton is in fact a monster. Many have said something similar to reporters. And this was not the first time one of them slipped up on attribution. But until now, the press, as part of a broader pattern of kid-gloves treatment of Obama, has largely chosen to let those mistakes pass. And that has bred a certain sloppiness — one that, in the case of Power, has now come back to bite them.

this is a 'gate' already?

this scotsman reporter wasn't national press corps, tho, she's a nobody.

yeah that editorial kinda sucks but i think its main point is that the press is turning its own narrative on the situation, i.e. "now we're treating obama like a frontrunner"

Obama supporter and former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski disagrees with Power's decision to resign: "I think an expression of regret for using an inappropriate description of Senator Clinton should have sufficed. And I don't think she should have resigned."

Ha!! Thanks for the input Mr. Brzezinski!

Hopefully he will re-hire her when he wins the nomination.

this was an unpaid advisory position right?
how 'fired' could she be really

Wyoming

BHO: 58
HRC: 40

78% reporting

I think that makes it official.

Obama better give up now, he'll never get double her scores, she's unbeatable!

Yeah they really needed a 90% landslide or the voters are having second thoughts

http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/08/b-clinton-a-clinton-obama-ticket-an-almost-unstoppable-force/

grossssssss

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-experiencemar07,0,51719.story
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

clintons foreign policy claims start to draw scrutiny

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2008/03/08/wuspols108a.jpg

^^^^^^ experience

have you ever been experienced

HRC wants BHO as her VP? Even though he has more delegates? I thought this whole "the Clintons are delusionally power-hungry and will stop at nothing to bla bla bla" thing was just fighting talk, but... they really are?

In Clinton's case, she may well have exercised influence on foreign policy that is hard to document because she had a unique opportunity to offer private counsel to her husband, President Bill Clinton.

if her f.p. experience remains in the spotlight this is key. i wouldn't be surprised if Bill gets really generous about past achievements, things that are difficult to quantify or dispute. voters will have to sift through it.

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Race:   Wyoming

Updated 15 minutes ago
County: Table | Map

  Obama  4,138

  58%
  Clinton  2,876

  41%
  Uncommitted  64

  1%

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  91% reporting

"Uncommitted"? Why don't they just have an "Other" category?

3 more days til the Mississippi primary, btw

HRC wants BHO as her VP? Even though he has more delegates? I thought this whole "the Clintons are delusionally power-hungry and will stop at nothing to bla bla bla" thing was just fighting talk, but... they really are?

-- StanM, Saturday, 8 March 2008 22:24 (54 minutes ago) Link

Wait how does the fact that she wants him as veep change anything?

Foster is slightly ahead with 90 of 568 precincts reporting.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gQZZmxxd-dehJ1c_lUKFffsXLaxwD8V9KE8O0

Democrat Bill Foster had a 53 percent to 47 percent lead over Republican businessman Jim Oberweis with 325 of 568 precincts reporting.

if her f.p. experience remains in the spotlight this is key. i wouldn't be surprised if Bill gets really generous about past achievements, things that are difficult to quantify or dispute. voters will have to sift through it.

-- Cosmo Vitelli, Saturday, 8 March 2008 22:27

apparently they're already claiming that hil was pushing bill to go into darfur in 94, and that "not following her advice is one of my greatest regrets"

oh gimme a fuckin' break

Rezko is Obama's Whitewater (aka substanceless 'scandalous' meme the right-wing will throw around forever)

FOSTER WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Democrat Bill Foster had a 53 percent to 47 percent lead over Republican businessman Jim Oberweis with 534 of 568 precincts reporting.

Su-Times now has 94% in with the same lead for Foster. He's up by several thousand votes. Friend says "uncounted votes are almost entirely from Kane county, which Foster has been winning."

Sun-Times

lol way bad news for repubs there

Rock.