EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

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interesting choice of words

idgi

nobody blogs anymore people storystream their livejournals

lj drama

wtf

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lol

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/46-times-vox-totally-fucked-up-a-story-1673835447

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welcome to the world baby blogger

lol

tbh i love matt yglesias

http://gawker.com/please-stop-showing-your-thumbs-on-social-media-1674295275

Overall, the thumb is round and stumpy, as if at one point in Yglesias's life it was mechanically compacted. It is openly unpleasant.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_10/are_democrats_complacent_going058182.php

excerpt:

After reading Matt Yglesias’ cri de coeur against “complacent” Democrats who don’t seem to be aware the Donkey Party is a presidential loss away from a total conservative makeover of the country, my basic reaction is that Matt needs to get out more. The whole premise of his Vox piece is that Democrats either don’t know or don’t care that they are at a historic disadvantage at the state government level and have little chance of—or a “plan” for—regaining control of the U.S. House, either. The Democrats I talk to seem pretty aware of the situation, if perhaps too sanguine about their long-term prospects (thanks to faith in demographics or doubt that the craziness rampant in the GOP will enable that party to pull of a trifecta).

But aside from Matt’s questionable assessment of Democratic self-knowledge, his hypothesis also suffers a bit from the assumption that the party’s downballot problems can be dispelled by more effort or some undefined “plan.”

the yglesias post that is replying to is a banger IMO

The GOP might be in chaos, but Democrats are in a torpor.

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ezra koenig

matt le blanc

I don't know if things are as bleak as Yglasias thinks, but it's at least a strong corrective to the endless stream of articles predicting the impending collapse of the GOP. So long as they hold congress, the supreme Court and lots of state offices, it seems just a tiny bit myopic to call them dead.

feel like ezra is a more likable and otm but matt is a deeper thinker so i dunno

― ice cr?m, Monday, January 3, 2011 12:43 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

basically. i don't have much use for hayes either. vox turns out some interesting stuff here and there, though.

@ezraklein
Hot fire from @mattyglesias: https://t.co/PjUZ81wDvM https://t.co/YZGNKz0tCk

hot fire yall

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there

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one of my favourite things on twitter is when u can tell ppl are mad at somthing matty wrote but u have yet to figure out what, just picking up the faint signal of abuse

he wrote that government transparency is bad while being wrong about how fioa works

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don't sleep on this gem:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/701785854159822848

xp- yeah i saw that tweet. was wondering what does it mean to make a record of a phone call though? like can i just write 'chatted with hilary clinton on the phone' on a post-it? the asymmetry he's talking at least practically exists if ppl are always saying 'lets talk on the phone'.

a good reminder that bloggers aren't journalists and don't know anything about journalism

yeah he made a bunch of finger painty points abt things he obvs doesnt know much abt or bothered to think through

like phone calls are bad because he doesnt like to make them, but obvs for a journalist phone calls are good cause the chance of the person youre talking to slipping up and saying something actually revealing is much higher than w an email

but then why do ppl ask yglesias to phone? if they're equally foiaable as emails and you can make someone slip up, seems more risky... idgi

btw u seen these videos of ezra explaining things and doing lots of hand gestures and scrunchy thinking face? he is p handsome imo but the videos are so bad lol

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/28/12281222/trump-clinton-conventions

prob just ppl are habituated to the phone

Nah i looked it up i don't think the foia thing really matters, the Public Record thing applies to stuff like 911 calls and there isn't a record of a phone call 99% of the time. so Real Journalist Steve Rilly is right that *if* there's a record u can foia it but that *if* almost never happens. the journalist pressing interviewee to slip thing doesn't really matter to foia cuz why would you foia a convo between a journalist and a politician the journo can just transcribe it and publish it

the awesomely stupid thing about this take is like, ok, so granted there's this asymmetry of transparency depending what form of communication politicians... and u want to reduce transparency on the one we do have?

"doesnt really matter" isnt really an argument when u "dont know what youre talking about" is the point re the foia point

but yeah the bigger goof is believing that transparency is bad, both symptoms of incredibly lazy thinking, mistaking ones own habits for virtue

When you're talking about Senate-confirmed appointments (especially Cabinet positions) phone calls with non-federal parties are frequently transcribed, if not at least partially scripted or even advertised on the federal register. When you're talking about other appointed positions, much less than managerial or staff functions below and around them, yeah, phone calls are pretty much all non-record, except if you're talking to a reporter, because DC and Virginia are one-party consent states for recording - Maryland is all party consent but I dunno how that works across jurisdictions.

All this seems like a complete DUH to any journalist working in this town or covering politics generally - I'm not even in public affairs and I know this shit. But Yglesias, as pointed out, is "just a blogger"

And I'm leaving out secured phone calls with foreign heads of state in case that isn't obvious

Same with the infamous Bangladesh piece. Speak to anyone with even the vaguest knowledge of the country's manufacturing industry and they will tell you that international pressure has forced importing companies to get more serious about safety in factories, that safety standards are notionally being improved by the government and that one of the major problems was factory owners flouting the existing standards that were in place. But nobody with even the vaguest knowledge of manufacturing in Bangladesh was involved in the piece.

basically just philosophy major first principals bs

disappointed that felix salmon is leaving reuters for some new bullshit thats 'post-text'

― just sayin, Saturday, 26 April 2014 06:54 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

this fucking dweeb

The message is simple: Joe Biden likes you. He likes you even if you don’t like him.

If that sounds trite, consider the contrast it offers to the reality we live in, and the politics President Trump practices. https://t.co/8II1Kln2ID

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) August 21, 2020

This is strictly about campaigning, Klein acknowledges in the piece that this man for all seasons shit isn’t a viable strategy for governing.

feel like Matty has been on some wild bad takes as of late

wait, milo, you started Best American Pundit 2020 even though this thread already exists?

I don't even have to read the piece, but I agree with Ezra's tweet

This one didn't show up when I searched back then for some reason - Googled both their names this time instead of just the Ez

Ezra's Tweet and column are nonsense.

"The core of Joe Biden’s politics is his talent at fulfilling the simplest of political and emotional needs: Joe Biden likes you. That was the message of this convention, and it’s the message that has always been at the core of his politics." - this is the guy who will literally tell you to vote for someone else if you express displeasure with him!!!

the tweet is fine

I unironically love twitter but it’s honestly embarrassing how people get spun up over policy fads (abolish ICE! defund police!) only to forget about them seven weeks later.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) October 21, 2020