(when is a detail)
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
UPDATE: Chase's publicist put out the following statement:
A journalist for Vox misconstrued what David Chase said in their interview. To simply quote David as saying,“ Tony Soprano is not dead,” is inaccurate. There is a much larger context for that statement and as such, it is not true.
As David Chase has said numerous times on the record, “Whether Tony Soprano is alive or dead is not the point.” To continue to search for this answer is fruitless. The final scene of THE SOPRANOS raises a spiritual question that has no right or wrong answer.
lawl
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
everything abt this is funny but none more so than this http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/27/6075535/are-you-proud-of-yourself-savedyouaclick-question-mark-nope
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
The hero can't dead till the last reel
― Visions of Mojo Hannah (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:12 (nine years ago) link
see it's a mob show (which Tracer got) and an existential dreamscape (well)
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:29 (nine years ago) link
Really great casting is thanks to Christopher Walken's wife.
Stick around for Polly Bergen.
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:35 (nine years ago) link
yes right, I just found out about that casting duo.
I was constantly struck by how much of the Sopranos cast shows up in Woody Allen films (often in tiny bit parts)
Chase cast entirely out of New York, at least in the first season, as Allen generally has. Though the only substantial actor in a Woody film I can think of is Jerry Adler in Manhattan Murder Mystery, who played Hesh the slick lawyer in Sopranos.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:42 (nine years ago) link
The way Tony and his lower-case family are talking around the coffee shop table in the last ep, it's like they've already dismissed the Family---and of course, cousin*/"nephew"/maybe "son" Christopher is dead, surrogate uncle or brother Sal the sane manager is dead, Tony as boss or whatever his title is, seems dead in the water power-wise--prob doesn't have all that much money, since he didn't at his peak,as his senior Jewish consultant, the guy with the studio, once estimated for another non-made guy. So, whether those guys really are coming to kill him and maybe his relatives or not--hell, maybe they're working for him now, some new bodyguards or something---it's just another thing that happens, in the midst of and after a bunch of other stuff.*Back when Cousin Buscemi got out of prison and started palling around with Tony, as little Christopher trailed behind, made fun of by the big guys, like when they were all three kids: think that was when Carmela explained to another lady that he was a cousin, but so young that Tony felt obliged or moved to treat him as his nephew.
― dow, Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:46 (nine years ago) link
Dominic Chianese starred in a Woody Allen play in '04 (one I never saw or read):
http://www.playbill.com/news/article/87907-Michael-McKean-Dominic-Chianese-Martha-Plimpton-Star-in-Woody-Allens-Memory-This-Fall
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:49 (nine years ago) link
basically, it could be his way of saying "it's not the point."― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), woensdag 27 augustus 2014 17:44 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), woensdag 27 augustus 2014 17:44 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Bingo: David Chase: “Sopranos” piece on Vox “is inaccurate,” “not true”
― ambient yacht god (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 28 August 2014 12:30 (nine years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/08/27/david_chase_vox_article_the_sopranos_showrunner_responds_to_tony_soprano.html
^^^ i hate this guy
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:17 (nine years ago) link
of course he dies... eventually
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:07 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:07 PM (Yesterday)
this is otm. tony doesn't die onscreen, so he's technically alive at the end of the show. but he might die in 5 minutes, or it might be 5 years. i think one of the points of the show is that living that life will eventually have consequences for you and the people you love. he can't escape it
― k3vin k., Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
And seeing him get shot would be to bring an end to that anxiety, but instead it ends with that ongoing anxiety itself.
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
― k3vin k., Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:24 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no, the seconds of blackness can very easily be read as his death
the show doesn't end when it cuts to black, it ends when the credits roll
those seconds of blackness are part of the show's narrative
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link
that's a fair reading, i don't dispute that
― k3vin k., Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link
well then you are a gentleman sir.
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link
read yr blog posts people he is dead http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link
surely the show ends when the credits are over not when they start.
― ryan, Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:46 (nine years ago) link
just sayin
― ryan, Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link
if you have any evidence that the sopranos credits sequences have ever sustained the narrative, i'm all ears
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link
His mother was named "livia" which is awfully close to "live" and I think derives from "olive." Tony soprano live / tony sopranolive / tony sopran olive
Best answer I got
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
The thing everybody always leaves out is that the final episode is crappy and anti-climactic no matter whether he lives or dies, and that the final sequence is quite boringly directed.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
That's the most bonkers theory yet!
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
that is ridiculous
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
I won't stop believin'
― post...aftermath (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
the final scene is masterful 500%
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
otm
― post...aftermath (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
life is boringly directed, esp if you're eating onion rings in a diner in Bloomfield.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
Mr Veg reminded me that I thought the tv was broken when we saw that ending
― SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:20 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/tnyfrontrow/status/507226969411690497
― schlump, Friday, 5 September 2014 02:21 (nine years ago) link
O rings = contraception = no new life?
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:02 (nine years ago) link
LOL whoops wrong thread
― Gay Fire Beautiful Dong (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 12 September 2014 12:04 (nine years ago) link
looool
― how's life, Friday, 12 September 2014 12:05 (nine years ago) link
you want me to zap that post stevie?
― how's life, Friday, 12 September 2014 12:06 (nine years ago) link
i missed this episode
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 September 2014 12:13 (nine years ago) link
xp yeah uh maybe we should go ahead and whack that one
― Gay Fire Beautiful Dong (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 12 September 2014 13:11 (nine years ago) link
morbs how far are you now?
― k3vin k., Friday, 12 September 2014 14:33 (nine years ago) link
s2, four in
stopping for awhile due to baseball probly
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 September 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link
Holy shit the Tony dream episode in S5 is awful.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 18 September 2014 00:28 (nine years ago) link
no.
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 18 September 2014 06:05 (nine years ago) link
Furio has uncovered a lost Guercino masterpiece worth millions, I didn't know he was such a renaissance man IRL.
http://pagesix.com/2014/09/29/sopranos-star-discovers-artwork-worth-millions/?
― xelab, Monday, 29 September 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link
Series now on Bluray. For "The Happy Wanderer":
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/17/7234477/sopranos-streaming-one-episode
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard/dont-stop-believing-david-chase-analyzes-the-final-scene-of-the-sopranos
― with HD lyrics (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 04:24 (nine years ago) link
Or, wait, this link's better:http://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/1502-Spring-2015/Shot-to-Remember-The-Sopranos.aspx
― with HD lyrics (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 04:25 (nine years ago) link
i have a theorythat david chase didn't intend the ending to be ambiguous but the public outcry/confusion made him butthurt and reticent about it
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link
Chase basically confirms that huge blog post about it saying Tony got shot.
― pplains, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
Nah, he's saying that it's one reading of it, and def one reading he intended. I don't think that many people have said that there was nothing menacing about Members Only Guy, or that it wasn't intended to remind of us what Bobby said in Soprano Home Movies about not hearing the final bullet.
Either way, it's a crappy ending. Having two readings of something doesn't really matter when neither reading is interesting.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link
It's one of the best-edited TV sequences ever.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
I love the ending
― And let’s say a new Hozier comes along, and Spotify outbids you (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link
set the standard for how to conclude a long-running series imo
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 23:19 (nine years ago) link