The Wolf of Wall Street (new Scorsese)

btw the moment i finally decided to see this movie was vgrrl's post

one of my favorite scenes/moments that has been stuck in my head for the last few days is when Leo's first wife finds him in the limo with the duchess chick, when they're standing on the sidewalk in front of the hotel/casino and there's that repeated shot of them from across the street where it's just this huge wall of reflective brass and windows and lights and him looking defeated and her with her hands on her hips

I love it

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:53 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but i had to rewatch it to notice it's trump tower

There's a great Paul Haggis / Iñárritu comedy-drama to be made about some UAE bros who divide into ISIS soldiers and Wolf of Wall Street disciples.

― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcAYMb5uk4

i think everybody recognises this film's 'badness' - it is a brash film almost fully dedicated to cataloguing badness

yeah very obv not what i fucking meant

its a movie that villainizes its characters for ignoring the humanity of others while ignoring the humanity of its characters, i know this is just a huge opening for someone to be all dont you see thats the whole point meta commentary etc but no its just bad writing

― lag∞n, Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:22 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark

I cant believe this weenie liberal who talks about loving capitalism all the time and glued a dildoe to his ipad so he could suck its dick, is crying about how the humanity of rapacious monsters is being shortchanged.... you stupid fucking jew devil faggot

pfft ur a stupid jew devil faggot

and fwiw i wasnt crying or moralizing abt it, the characters are just generally flat and not very compelling in this movie

except this guy

http://i.imgur.com/k4ApTOw.jpg

like he had some idiosyncratic qualities that are the markers of a real person the rest of them were just lazy types

I think they're flat, but only in the sense of a panicked avoidance of any inner life at all.

even people who have a panicked avoidance of any inner life at all are more interesting and varied than the characters in this movie

i dont doubt the book the movie is based on is bad in that sense too but still

Like, couldn't you say this about dr strangelove? It's a mean dark comedy mocking those who may destroy us

imho the mode dr strangelove was made is quite different than this movie

Why should there be a tender scene of Donnie painting to suggest an inner life worth exploring

man have u ever considered writing scripts

I can think of lots of great films where the main characters shut themselves off from the world to the point of willfully killing off whatever inner life they might have--Shoot the Piano Player and The Conversation are the first two I think of--but I don't think that's what Ryan means by a panicked avoidance of any inner life at all...I'm not quite sure what that means.

None of your business

Xpost

Is it the same mode as king of comedy? Can I compare those movies?

No

please proceed governor

i totally get that if you aren't laughing 3 hours of this movie is murder, but exploring the "humanity" of these characters just feels beside the point

yes it isn't fair to the people it villainizes. it's a mean comedy.

maybe humanity was the wrong word, how about "characterness" they were not great characters, very 2d and not in a good purposeful way

more in a this world is not fully realized sort of way

It's been too long to give specific examples, but what I meant is that I got a sense from the movie of an inner life being suppressed at certain points--something the characters themselves seem unaware of. If nothing else that sense put the flatness into relief.

i mean, yeah, if you're not laughing you want more anything. but if you're laughing and accepting the thesis this is like someone saying frank drebin could use more detail

xpost

it's not willful, I don't think. It's just the stimulus-response pattern of addiction shorn of romantic/existential overtones.

i dont think the movie succeeds on its own terms, which fwiw i also dont think are the same terms as the naked gun movies

what's a movie you think succeeds on the terms of wolf of wall street

Same point as lag∞n. I didn't want these characters to be humanized in a Lifetime movie sense--god, no--any more that I'd want that of Travis Bickle or Jake La Motta or Tommy DeVito. I just wanted them to be interesting movie characters, not schematic blanks.

i enjoyed a lot when i saw it in the movie theater but it didnt really grab me when i watched on the plane, it still had a lot of great moments but its a little bit samey as far as the plot, like its mostly them living the highlife and nothing really dynamic happens plotwise or tonewise for most of the movie, i dont think its gonna have the endless tv rewatchablity everyone was predicting

what's a movie you think succeeds on the terms of wolf of wall street

― da croupier, Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:15 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

boiler room lol jk

i dunno man i can rewatch a chunk of that Beach Boys tv biopic anytime its on I can rewatch a chunk of this

but what will you do when the commercial break

quaaludes

change the channel or look at my phone, the world is mine

maybe post here about how you are wrong

http://i.imgur.com/gr0wwZX.jpg

tbf i would probably not endlessly rewatch this outside of paycable tv-wise, like most scorsese it would get a little

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-rGnI9XNo

so ive always suspected croup prefers chunks to films

what's a movie you think succeeds on the terms of wolf of wall street

― da croupier, Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:15 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

scarface

i do not wish wows was more like scarface

wows did not need speeches about america written by oliver stone

its kind of unfair and pointless to compare the wows to a stone cold classic like scarface imo but they are p similar in what they're trying to do

the original Scarface, of course

yeah see scarface is a movie i'd say has great bits but is not a stone cold classic mostly cuz it bogs down in stone speeches

like, if you're saying you wish there'd been more of a balls-out action climax in wows fine

xpost assuming yr talking about depalma/stone's

ya the more recent one

but wait you were saying you needed more character detail - is that what you think scarface had and wows lacked?

the climax of wows where leo changes his mind in the middle of his retirement speech is prob the best in the whole movie except maybe when theyre wrestling over the phone on ludes imho