Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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If Ronan means me - which perhaps he does not, but I will assume it for a moment - then:

I started the Liverpool Won't Win The Title to make, and discuss, the point that I thought that Liverpool would not win the title -- at a time when, unlike now, various people were saying that they would. (Robin Carmody, for one, was emphatic.)

They did not win the title: I was correct. I like Liverpool, much more than I did, say, 10 or 15 years ago: and I would have been delighted if they had won the title this year.

I also like M. Houllier, a lot, and have done for a long time: search far and wide through ilx and find something that contradicts this.

― the bellefox, Monday, 24 May 2004 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, though, kids: Champions' League Final: Y / N?

― the bellefox, Monday, 24 May 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Houllier but he did sign some nonces. That's you, Mr Daio. And you, Mr Cheyrou. And don't get me started on The Hadj. Worse than Heskey.

Liked the man, though.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 24 May 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Jose Antonio Camacho appointed Real Madrid manager.

― de, Monday, 24 May 2004 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Calamacho!!!!

― chris (chris), Monday, 24 May 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I always hated him, from his ... physog in the 1982 stickerbook on.

― the pinefox, Monday, 24 May 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Cheyrou could still come good. And Sina-Po and Le Tall look good investments, aussi.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 24 May 2004 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Former Madrid player. Isn't this supposedly something to do with Jorge Valdano getting 'his man'?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 24 May 2004 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Liverpool should hire George Graham.

Ranieri still hasn't been properly sacked, has he? What price a Claudio to Liverpool, do you think? If Martin O'Neill really does go to Spurs instead of Liverpool he is a fule, and I say that as a Spurs fan.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 24 May 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

they're old mates apparently, and don't forget the white vulture is also involved high up there.

x-post

― chris (chris), Monday, 24 May 2004 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I reckon Liverpool should go for a dream team: David Pleat as Director of Football and Howard Wilkinson as Technical Coach

Liverpool would have a chance of winning the title in 2005/2006 with them - the First Division title !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear Jim Smith is available.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

DC: are you up for watching Ch League Final, Weds?

Martian tickles me.

He really does, the more I read his work.

― the bellefox, Monday, 24 May 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

As a Celtic fan can I say that getting Dalglish involved is NOT a good idea - we ended up with John fucking Barnes as manager. Once a Rangers fan, always a Rangers fan

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

PF wednesday is the only night i'm not going to the pub this week, so i think i will be watching at home...

also claudio has said he is very happy in london, so he must be after the barnet job...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Good rapper, though.

x-post.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

PF, I'd love to watch two Great Clubs Of Europe go for The Big One but this Wednesday is the only evening across two months of the calendar that our department could agree on for a night out. In the wake of Chelsea's defeat I withdrew my objections on footy grounds and, well, here we are.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Pinefox - as will all things at the moment this all depends on whether I can walk/use crutches properly by Wednesday. I would like to, though.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Liverpool fans should be grateful to get a manager of the calibre of Curbishley. He's someone who's taken a club which were on the verge of extinction to the verge of Europe with a fraction of the money that say Keegan, Souness or yes, Houllier had.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

And his brother manages the Opera Babes and has taken them to the verge of the Operatic Champions League.

He has part of a finger missing too.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

That is because he keeps Paulo DiCanio in a cage and feeds him solely on raw meat in order to preserve that vital onfield aggression. He got too close once.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I understood it to be gangland related, but I like your version better.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 24 May 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Camacho was appointed Real Madrid manager a couple or three seasons ago but he resigned before the start of the season because they wouldn't let him have his own 'backroom boys'. I hope, I hope, I hope history repeats itself.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 24 May 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

That was during Sanz's time, though. Big ego clash. Perez is up for re-election shortly, hence crowd pleasing appointment.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 24 May 2004 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

So: Weds pm: Euro final: Boyle in the Bull & Mouth. I will make it for 2nd half I hope.

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm surprised no one's linked Ranieri with the job.

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I cannae BELIEVE that Strachan is in the frame. Rather than the cage. The box. The wardrobe, that's going over the blue cliffs of Dover.

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Benitez, apparently

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

If so, another few seasons of exciting football at Anfield, then.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I pretty much agree with everything Matt says on football. Apart from that bunch of poxy gay gimps he supports.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

that makes Spurs sound interesting tho, arf

sidenote: who on earth will employ Quieros?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

why would Strachan even consider Liverpool when Southampton seemed to be causing him enough stress as it was? perhaps we would get a COppell-esque scenario

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Queiroz to Benfica? I'm basing this on the fact that he is Portuguese and it has nice symmetry. A quality of the game often overlooked.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The more I think about it the more I think that O'Neill to Spurs is just not going to happen. 'Technical director' = 'we want fancy big-name foreign coach and not someone who isn't going to let all the cool stuff about actual signings be done by someone else'.

The upside of this is that we therefore won't get Harry Redknapp even if he does leave Pompey.

I think Curbishley to Liverpool could be a good move - one of the top clubs HAS to take a chance on a homegrown manager eventually and Curbs is the master of the team ethic, something largely lacking at Liverpool over the past couple of seasons. I'd like to see what he could do with a decent budget as well.

I find it kinda funny how all of a sudden no one is looking for "the next David Moyes" any more.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Matt, be honest, did you ever seriously believe that Martin O'Neill would manage Spurs?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The team ethic was not what was lacking at Liverpool, they were lacking an individualist ethic if anything, or some individual skill players.

I will be disgusted if Curbishley gets the job.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Dada - yes. The Spurs job is a plum job for a manager who wants to take the credit for building up a mediocre team with lots of good young potential and a bit of money.

Its two seasons down the line when there are 11 first team injuries and you are therefore still playing Gary Doherty, floundering in 13th position and the fans are baying for your head is when it becomes an abysmal job.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The criteria for anybody coming has to be exactly the same as applied to Gerard, and the common sense thing is - who is the candidate most likely to help us challenge for the title next year?" said Parry. "A track record is obviously important. If you are looking at someone's ability to win trophies, proof of doing it clearly helps."

Not Curbishley, then.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I ask because, no offence to you or Spurs' fans, but when this story was first floated the collective laughter of Celtic fans could be heard on Jupiter.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Curbishley wanted the West Ham job a couple of years ago. Unfortunately when asked about his future in public, 20,000 Charlton fans were surrounding him. He either wasn't interested in the job, or bottled it (and you can hardly blame him if the latter is true).

Incidentally, I have an option for a ticket for Saturday's play-off. £200! What would you do in the same scenario?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Cardiff.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

If you are looking at someone's ability to win trophies, proof of doing it clearly helps.

Not an Englishman then

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I've already told you G - just go.

remember - wwad

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Boyler: remember - Bull & Mouth.

― the bluefox, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't make the Bull & Mouth as I have to show an Italian round my flat. Dammit.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you trying to bribe Ranieri into taking the Spurs job, Matt?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

There'll be tinkerin' tonight...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

If Strachan then why not O'Leary?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm maybe it's Mourinho

― chris (chris), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that a tango?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

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