2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

comments pretty much OTM

Power should have said she was misquoted. "No, I said she reminded me of Grandpa Munster."

the paper was technically within its rights to do this

schoolyard bullshit

agree with both of these things

shady of them to print it, but whattayagonnado. if you are talking to some nobody tabloid reporter, don't start spouting off.

it's a shame all around. wtf was samantha thinking? obviously she wasn't. the journo saw gold, the editor saw influence, and now Obama's minus one quality advisor.

Sorry to derail and I know I MUST be the only one, but every time I look at this thread, some part of my mind wants 'primaries' to mean ape tits.

lol at advisors winning elections

now Obama's minus one quality advisor

maybe he can hire her back if he wins the primary

cuz no one will fire her over saying McCain's a monster.

Frankly, if she was unwise enough to make that kind of comment in front of any member of the press, what other lapses in judgment might she have harbored?

that's a joke, right?

and now Obama's minus one quality advisor.

Alright, I’ve tried to avoid this shit, but what? Quality advisor? Every misstep Senator Obama has made with foreign policy during this can be pointed towards her.

Muddling in Kenya on the eve of Mr. Annan’s arrival and playing hawk on the federal territories immediately spring to mind. Both of these smell of her extremely unpolished approach to policy.

She was purged this early because now that she is on the news networks the campaign is praying that KSG students are not asked about other suggestive comments she’s made in the past.

I'm not saying the whole thing isn't a tempest in a teapot, but she got caught saying something impolitic and got sacrificed. How is this surprising?

What was wrong with Obama's conduct in Kenya?

Clinton Again Suggests Shared Ticket With Obama

"I've had people say, 'Well I wish I could vote for both of you.' Well, that might be possible some day," Hillary says on the trail in Mississippi. "But first I need your vote on Tuesday." It's the second time she's hinted at running with Obama this week.

i can see why saying this benefits her. most dems like both candidates, but also think she's got more experience and thus should be at the top of the ticket if they run together? if people think they're going to run together anyways, they'd go with her at the top, i guess, with the whole experience narrative. also takes some of the negative slime off of her, makes her look like she's reaching out to him. kind of a weird move that automatically paints him as the secondary candidate and her as the frontrunner.

I hope he doesn't run with her - who wants to play second fiddle to a broken record

Whomever loses this had best stay in the Senate.

I don't think New York or Illinois is in danger of giving up a vacant seat to a Republican.

in IL you might be surprised

Illinois may be!

this video's pretty funny, it's hillary's 3 am ad run together with those approval-meter things:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/3_am_tested.html

(he had the wrong video up for a little while, it should be corrected)

Well, if Obama vacated his seat, Gov. Blagodonividaksisady would fill it with a Democrat.

IL has some pretty strange and contentious state-level politics, on the realz.

The gov? I do not trust that man. I don't think anyone does, really.

It's not so mauch that that I worry about, pp, but they're not going to want to get sullied by the administration of the other (which will likely only offer them a job infamously valued less than a pitcher of warm spit) and lose their seniority in the Senate.

it's warm PISS

So it is, I see. I never knew that had been bowdlerized.

it wasn't bowdlerized it was CENSORED

hillarys calls for obama to be vp are really disturbing and i think it could be effective :-/

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"you can be my veep any time"

It's the second time she's hinted at running with Obama this week.

Sorry. Wrong construction to put on that comment. In HRC's mind, Obama would be a good successor, after her own two terms. In that way the voter could "someday" vote for both of them. Serially.

yup, the thinking must be that it makes her look like the big one who's trying to heal the party, and will make him look churlish to say no... an Obama victory somewhere would make this look kind of silly, but i never have a good sense for how these things will play.

Couldn't Obama say no by claiming to "want to get more experience"

couldn't Obama just ask why she's trying to put him in the passenger seat when he's got 100 more delegates?

Couldn't he just say that he'd prefer to remain in the Senate, or that it's premature to talk about this? I think this is the least of his worries.

there's some weird campaign logic in "obama is an slick empty suit kept standing only by the hot air of his rhetoric, and gosh, i think'd he make a great vice president."

couldn't Obama just ask why she's trying to put him in the passenger seat when he's got 100 more delegates?

Shril is like fat Muhammad Ali "winning" fights against stiffs in the late '70s, you gotta knock her out to win.

dr morbius supports beating a woman til she's unconscious

Obama clearly doesn't want to work with a woman, he just sacked that adviser chick.

Obama clearly doesn't want to work with a womanThat is, of course, exactly the impression the Clinton campaign was hoping to create with this. I'm really surprised Obama's people fell for it, to be honest.

yeah, and her last name is Power, which further signifies Obama's misogyny.

For what it's worth, her name also reminded me of Susan Powter for the first time in a while:

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mm. that didn't work. nevermind.

i see a susan powter emoticon, is that what you intended?

Yes! But it wasn't as impressive as I hoped it would be

susan powter IS fido dido

WAS (she has loads of hair now http://www.susanpowteronline.com/index.php/photos/ )

Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) has consistently spoken out and voted against granting retroactive immunity for telecoms that participated with the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program. This stance was part of the reason he won the support of Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT), a leader on civil liberties issues.

One of Obama’s advisers on intelligence and foreign policy advisers, however, is someone who “strongly” supports telecomm immunity. John Brennan is a former CIA official and the current chairman of the Intelligence and National Security Alliance. In a new National Journal interview, Brennan makes it clear that he agrees with the Bush administration on the issue of immunity:

There is this great debate over whether or not the telecom companies should in fact be given immunity for their agreement to provide support and cooperate with the government after 9/11. I do believe strongly that they should be granted that immunity, because they were told to do so by the appropriate authorities that were operating in a legal context, and so I think that’s important. And I know people are concerned about that, but I do believe that’s the right thing to do. I do believe the Senate version of the FISA bill addresses the issues appropriately.

These corporations may not have been acting within law, which is why many of them are now pushing for immunity. They chose to break the law and profited greatly from doing so. (At least one company refused to comply with the Bush administration’s request because it knew the actions were illegal.)

Because they complied in illegally wiretapping their customers, telecoms currently face around 40 lawsuits. Telecomms have nothing to fear from going to court, as long as they can prove that what they did is lawful.

Brennan also warned the next president from making any partisan “knee-jerk” decisions on intelligence when he or she takes office.

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http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/03/heilemann_monstergate_woke_the.html

But Monstergate, I think, reflects something deeper: the fact that many of the people around Obama have grown accustomed to, shall we say, a forgiving national press corps. Retroactive declarations of off-the-recordness happen all the time. Whether the journalist confronted with one chooses to let it slide or be a hard-ass is a matter of discretion. How much do you like the source? How much do you need the source? It's fair to say that many people in Obama's circle believe that Clinton is in fact a monster. Many have said something similar to reporters. And this was not the first time one of them slipped up on attribution. But until now, the press, as part of a broader pattern of kid-gloves treatment of Obama, has largely chosen to let those mistakes pass. And that has bred a certain sloppiness — one that, in the case of Power, has now come back to bite them.

this is a 'gate' already?

this scotsman reporter wasn't national press corps, tho, she's a nobody.