David Peace, Novelist

I think I must of had some Viz back issues to get through at the time or something

I missed it for a second time.

Why?

I was out listening to ARTHUR SCARGILL.

On a PANEL with some other people.

The President.
The Men -
The President's Men.

Thought the 2nd episode was good, liked the way it tied in with the 1st. I kept expecting Considine to pull his Dead Man's Shoes psycho act, which never really happened, which on reflection was probably a good thing.

I didn't bother to watch this. Instead we watched .Rec, which was pretty good fun.

thought it was pretty cowardly that they used a fictional first name for peter sutcliffe's wife, presumably because sonia sutcliffe is notoriously writ-happy

I think last night the Y.R. never got called anything more than Peter.

The names of the cops involved in the Ripper enquiry and the names used in the books/show are v v close.

this will sound like a retarded question, but how much of the original Peace novels is based on 'real'/rumoured actualities?

Punishing the Saab, Huntsbotham nick to Brighouse.

Thinking M621, M62, n minus 1, A1 murders and P45s. Radio on:

Love you baby love
Sugar baby love

Sugar fucking baby love.
Never meant to make you black and blue.

Think, think fucking quickly,

Detective Chief Inspector Bob Nasty, The Carp, in the study with the lead piping.

Here lies Phlebas, a fortnight dead

At the Fixby roundabout, ghosts with orchids in their mouths: LUFC. KELLY SUCKS TRAMPS COCKS. FUCK OFF MANU SHIT.

There where the tower was traced against the night
Of Michael Peternoster Royal, red and white.

HELL YOU EFF SEE.

There are books about some of the Ripper murders being actually commited by other people. I know nowt about the Ripper murders though so I don't know how compelling the arguments are, or how the police are involved.

Peter Hunter is obviously based on John Stalker to a large extent.

The Polish kid getting fitted up for the murder of the children is based on this.

thought it was pretty cowardly that they used a fictional first name for peter sutcliffe's wife, presumably because sonia sutcliffe is notoriously writ-happy

That's taken straight from the books.

Always vaguely wondered whether the surname Williams was meant to insinuate some connection with Michael Williams, the 'Exorcist' killer of Jack Whitehead's ex-wife (not in the films, unless it gets shoehorned into next week's).

There are books about some of the Ripper murders being actually commited by other people. I know nowt about the Ripper murders though so I don't know how compelling the arguments are, or how the police are involved.

Peace has written about some of these here: http://www.newstatesman.com/200303240036, which points out the real-life connections between Stefan Kiszko and YR, although I'm guessing it doesn't quite go as far as Peace takes it.

Whoever asked about Sean Bean's car in 1974, many moons ago, it was a Jensen Interceptor.

That was me. Thanks!

Roger Windsor = Terry Winters

it's odd how some fictional names have different connotations from the real names. Somehow the GB84 renaming of Peter Heathfield as Paul [something] made him sound younger.

Pretty bad this 2nd one. Not as easy to make the 80s look like the 80s as it is to make the 70s look like the 70s, of course, altho Sutcliffe's horrific jumper was good.

The problem with this series is that Channel 4 made such a song and dance about it that it was set up to disappoint

Judged on its own terms, rather than they hype, I think it has thus far been a qualified success, though.

They should have done a three part version of one book really.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7951333.stm

Slightly worried that the film of The Damned Utd isn't going to be like the book now. Cuddly affectionate rejigging isn't what I want from it.

(have only skimmed this thread, as I haven't seen any of Red Riding yet, and haven't read them either, apologies if this has been touched on already)

i wish people would stop putting Michael Sheen in things.

yeah the trailer for Damned United looks awful

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7951484.stm

17 minute long Martin O'Neill review of Damned Utd film...

17 minutes? Jesus.

it's an interview with Pat Murphy so 2 of those minutes are questions and 8 of those minutes are "I would....I...y...no question, no question...."

"Martin Sheen... I've seen him in... theatre..."

i wish people would stop putting Michael Sheen in things.

^^^^^^^^ truthbomb

Bring back Yarwood.

Martin O'Neill is Classic from minute one of that interview.
"Well, I don't know whether...I'm advantaged or disadvantaged...having watched the film....and from that viewpoint I...I mean this..."

Sheen must surely play him one day

he will eventually play everyone

wow O'Neill sounds like the best ever!

Given how much they simplified the various evil men down into a few compound characters, I'm surprised they didn't signpost the shifts in chronology a bit more in the last one

i thought that episode was the best by far.

although was quite confused that Piggott's father didn't actually feature in the earlier episodes as far as i could remember.

i was confused by more than that, right enough.

also, sakia reeves is v hot.

ok I just also read the last 30 pages of the book.

they did a bit of a blade runner on that

there was something magnificently grotesque about Mark Addy's bloated curry swilling turn in this

I was like how jealous of how fat he was

That was the best episode for sure, partially coz the acting was better. Mark Addy was great and really caught the smoking-pot-with-northern-girls-too-young-for-you vibe to a tee.

The ending was nothing like the ending to the quartet. I don't think I'm spoilering anything for anyone saying that.

For a minute I thought Sean Bean was still alive in the TV adaption!

yes, you had to look out for david morrissey's very subtly different glasses to know whether you were in the 70s or the 80s.

I think that the photoshopping here (with the alt-text Brian Clough gives a seminar) might be way better than the Damned United flick.

Also presence of Warren Clarke = 1974.

I wonder how Peace feels about the newly chipper ending tacked onto his masterpiece, particularly given his express distrust/hatred of all visual media

having not read the quartet (thouh have read gb84, which was impressive but hard work), is there any spoiler-free way of explaining how the book ending differs?

Take any happiness out for starters.

It's pretty much diametrically opposed. Martin Laws still dies but somebody else kills him.

Also a guy who was mostly ignored in the films reappears for a creepy/redemptive moment with Maurice

Also in the books Martin Laws is just the string puller/ringleader; the people who actually do the murders in the book aren't in the films at all

yikes... well, something to look forward to when i read the books, anyway. is the role of piggott's father explained any clearer? and, in fact, are the circumstances clearer in the book than, say, GB84, which lost me a couple of times.

GB84 is a model of clarity compared to the twisted mess at the end of the quartet.

I was thinking of doing a flowcahrt of all the connections between people in the books. Seeing how messy it would get.

was going over some of it in my head earlier and realising I will never be explain it to anyone ever and gave up

re: cheerful ending, the book also hammers home the impending doom of 1983 increased Tory majority while all the bad things are happening, in case you might be tempted to think that people outside Yorkshire were probably doing fine