Marijuana: Classic or Dud?

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Classic for the first 6 months, dud there on.

― 3underscore (___), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

that's all well and good, but have you ever heard it live from the band itself in a packed club when the volume and power of the music made it feel like rapture compacted...on WEED???

Horrible idea.

I can't believe ANYONE could listen to that much Smashing Pumpkins and not be on drugs. I think he's lying.

Alas, ye of little faith. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

When I was fresh-faced, appealing, worry-free, limitlessly creative: Classic, smoked every single day and functioned incredibly. At one point I was probably the most quotable teenager in Canada.

Now that naivete has gone, I look how I feel, anxieties have been unearthed by time and powders: Dud, I try not to touch it, and even when I've had a good week and say what the hey, it still FUCKS with me.

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

*the volume and power of the music made it feel like rapture compacted*
This is "higher" than anything I ever wrote (or thought) while stoned. Hmmm.

― lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I GENERATE MY OWN DRUGS! I'M THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The funny thing about anxiety is that for a long time it never maybe me paranoid. And then I stopped doing it for a while and would do it occasionally in social situations, and after I had a really bad, near-psychotic, paranoid experience with it, it kept causing anxiety. But before that, despite my tendencies toward anxiety, it didn't make them worse. In fact, when I first started smoking it more heavily, it seemed to make it easier for me to handle social situations, but that went away really quickly. (Also we are talk about some pretty pot-friendly social situations: 24 hour modern dance performances, folkloric Brazilian music concerts, etc.)

scott is right: it makes you hear things differently, or at least it makes you think you are hearing things differently. I still think it helped me notice details I hadn't noticed before in recordings and videos, and that it made it more probable that I would discover those details; but I'm not convinced I could not have picked them up without pot (more that it made me more likely to notice them). There was a brief period after I stopped smoking pot that various music would make me think, "Oh man, I wish I were listening to this stoned," but I almost never think that now, and definitely haven't stopped enjoying music. (I think that dancing for long stretches of time also makes you hear music differently, but maybe it's more subtle.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I found that pot made everyday chores (going to the laundromat, cooking, maybe cleaning a bit) easier to deal with, but it tended to make it that much harder to solve problems that would arise, e.g., complaining to my land-lord about heat.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

ironically, me and the missus got *veh* stoned and listened to Loveless last night after getting back from a party... LUSH!

― stevie (stevie), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic. I watched Ferris Bueller's Day Off on Saturday night after a couple of joints, and I noticed all sorts of stuff about the film that I'd never paid any attention to before. (And I've seen the film many times.) There were a whole lot of throwaway lines and musical flourishes that took me completely by surprise. ("How can you say we didn't have fun today? We ate pancreas!")

Dud. I watched Mean Girls while stoned last night and enjoyed it so much that I revived the thread. It may not have been worth it.

― Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"ironically" - don't you mean "coincidentally"? Sorry, a pet peeve of mine.

― Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Though obviously Bill Clinton = classic. Because no-one believed him/

At least one of the friends that were smoking with him says that he really didn't inhale--the pot was too harsh for him, and he kept coughing it out.

― Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

if you don't cough you don't get off

― big chaki (chaki), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

spot on andrew, sorry! x

― stevie (stevie), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic.
Marijuana Evangelists = Ultimate Dud.

-- noodle vague (noodle_vagu...), November 14th, 2004.

OTM

weed's alright i guess. it's fun for me once in a while, but i'd hate to be stoned all the time as i already live my life in an absent-minded daze.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

like it every now and again. I actually think, for all the crazy laughing stuff and pipes I did when I was younger, I now like weed as a more serious drug. I mean like having a joint or two with friends and chatting about stuff, on a Sunday, when you're not going out anywhere.

and obviously being in the hot sun with a great big spliff and a few beers+some music is paradise.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but being in the hot sun with a few beers and some music is paradise anyway - though marijuana is no doubt a welcome addition.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't go well with anyone who has ever suffered from any kind of anxiety...

This is surprising. It makes me much more comfortable socially. Not as comfortable as alcohol, but it's way better than being sober. When I'm sober and thrust into social situations (parties, mostly) I typically want to run away screaming. Pot makes it easier for me to veg out against a wall and examine the people around me; makes me feel less self-concious. (I understand it's the total opposite in many people, though.)

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not sure about the anxiety thing. beer or es make me feel less anxiety than if I was sober but that's probably cos I consume alot of them.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if marijuana makes me feel more at ease in social situations, I'd say not. I tend to only do it as a sort of bridge between clubs and bed, or pills and beer, etc. or just on its own as I said.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
it is the exact opposite for me. as soon as i get a little bit stoned i start feeling like i should hide. i get really embarassed and ashamed. i think things like i'm really ugly and dumb and worthless, and a few times i've even gotten mad at myself for not going to church, etc. but i hate church; i don't even believe in god!

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a few anxiety problems related to bipolar disorder, but I don't have any problems with cannabis at all. (I try to stay away from drugs these days as I'm not too confident in my mental health - made the mistake of taking acid again recently and reacted somewhat like Caitlin does to cannabis, a total hatred of God. I had a bad trip and spent an eternity in a godless void of infinite repetition, ocassionally upsetting people bu jabbering about God and infinity. So, as a general rule, if your mind isn't sound generally, it's best to avoid drugs) But I find cannabis can be a temporary respite from depression, though I find I feel worse the day after.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Haven't touched the stuff in over 20 years cuz it just made me sleepy. It remains my wife's after dinner "martini", though.
Where it really bugs me is that a large % of my students come to school after smoking up, and that's just stooopid (some of you will say that's just my perspective). Many times, I just send them home...after I talk to them about maybe being more responsible about the stuff.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

So, as a general rule, if your mind isn't sound generally, it's best to avoid drugs

yeah, it's so unfortunate. if i can't handle marijuana, i can't really handle much else. i've been shut out of almost the entire wonderful world of drugs.

and it's not that i hate god as a result of smoking, it's that i start to feel like i'm dying and think, 'maybe if i had gone to church and behaved myself...' which is very strange and uncomfortable because it's not the same kind of dying feelings i've experienced from depression, where i never think of god at all.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Last night, a good friend of mine DJed at a dub/reggae night at a local hole. It was great to hear all of this stuff, REALLY LOUD. Anyways, he still smokes pot, and I don't, but he suggested that if you listen to enough music made by people who did a lot of drugs, you get the effects without having to do them.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Drugs are over-rated, really.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

the noize board believes otherwise.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

that's not even entirely, caitlin! there are plenty of non-druggie folx on the noise board.

but honestly, i like LSD way more than I like pot, and THAT is a problem.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i was joking, ian! and yeah, that's my problem, i really can't do LSD. and i'm getting old!

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 15 November 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.justaplant.com/

― lysander spooner, Monday, 15 November 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

OH GOD I LOVE DRUKZ

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

If I were still Ian's & Jon's age I wouldn't be typing this right now. I would be in a gutter somewhere laughing my ass off. But, alas, there is a two year old asleep in the next room and I'm an old fogey. I had my 15 years of irresponsible fun!

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, when you a two year old, you don't need drugs to make you laugh, right? That was always my perception; I'll quit it with the self-destructive bullshit when I spawn and have something worthwhile to focus my attention on.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

(and i didn't even go to college, just so i wouldn't have anything get in the way of booze & drugs. I had priorities!)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, kidz are the ultimate. But that was my point. Smoke up when you can, dood! If you are having fun, have fun.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

(maria smokes up more than me. but she comes from one of those brilliant hippy families who treat weed like a condiment and still go to yale and harvard and become doctors and lawyers and are all crazy productive and such. don't you hate those types??)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think it's for me, considering i've only had mediocre or bad experiences on it. whenever i've tried it, i haven't been able to concentrate on anything, and i find that REALLY horrible and frustrating, not fun. (this isn't a problem when i get drunk, interestingly)

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

plus it hurts your throat, what's fun about that?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

well, to be fair, cigarettes hurt yr throat WAY more. mine anyway.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Depends how you're smoking the bud - there are many ways you know.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 November 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, trust me i know.

― Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i have no idea whether it was pot or booze that has screwed my memory so much, i'm sure both are to blame. in any case, i only like pot about once or twice a year. and it usually makes me fall asleep. some people really dig having sex while stoned but i am not one of them, it makes my orgasms weak.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, TMI.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

plus it hurts your throat, what's fun about that?

I've never really had much of a problem with this.

― Andrew (enneff), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, is this the first ILE pot thread that hasn't immediately devolved into a knee-jerk hate fest?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, it's good for watching stuff or listening to stuff or playing video games, and especially all that stuff if you're with close friends, but not for going out in public. I get fearful.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Marijuana -- pretty good

Marijuana culture -- duddiest of duds.

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

perfectly well put.

Might I add:

Bob Marley = amazingly, incredibly classic.
stoners who listen to Bob Marley almost to the exclusion of all else = buffoons.

― Kenan (kenan), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

your girlfriend getting mad at you when you smoke pot = dud

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

OTFM.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

not for going out in public

Being stoned in public freaked me out for years. But at some point that changed, and I got to really enjoy being stoned in crowds, at bars, concerts, in long one-on-one conversations, whatever. Being comfortable stoned in social situations gave me a weird kind of confidence -- like, if I can be stoned and still be comfortable despite the self-consciousness, then being comfortable when I'm straight is a breeze. That said, after smoking with renewed interest for several years in my late 20s and early 30s, I've kind of tailed of for various circumstantial reasons.

The last time I smoked was at my dad's 60th birthday party. I shared a pipe with him, his cousin, my aunt, my little brother and my little brother's girlfriend. Family bonging. It was sweet.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

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