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Will Beaver be coming out of the closet next? Will Mac ever get some lovin'?

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Last night's was *fantastic*. Finally. I've been waiting for the show to get the fuck back on track.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

OK i'm there

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

They could have led up to Veronica's haunting a little, right? Or at least make it feel like the episode fits into some kind of timeline of recent episodes, rather than just a reminder that there's a big mystery to solve in the end (which will involve Steve Guttenberg, for he has no other reason to exist).

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 03:00 (eighteen years ago) link

some surprising quality in the last two episodes! something about this show and edgy, snarky one-liners, let me tell ya

although i may have been blinded two weeks ago by michael cera - i mean, he wasn't even all that good, but, like, michael cera!

lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

so, by last two episodes i meant the one last week and the week before, as the time slot change completely passed me by

lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I found tonight's episode really pretty to look at, but so breakneck-paced as to be near-incomprehensible. who in the what now? are we supposed to think Weevil's responsible for the crash? please.

it was still very funny, though.

horsehoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked the one. Nice to see some plot points start to come together.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 04:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Why don't they just put the titles right at the beginning, or get rid of them altogether? 10 minutes in is just distracting.

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 20 April 2006 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

12 minutes in even more so.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

They're on a roll now. Why couldn't the first half have been this good? If it's just the need to stretch out a plotline, make two big mysteries or something.

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Thursday, 20 April 2006 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Duncan should have been on the bus.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe he was

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

it was strange to have a kind of nothing episode (ep 17 (I can't even remember what it was supposed to be (looking: OK, not nothing but barely a mention of the bus crash (I know it's all involved) that is HAUNTING her in the following two episodes))) and then these two, much faster ones

they were just cycling through all poss baddies (w/ the weevil and w/ the gay radio kid and the pwt sister/family etcs)

despite the varying pace, ep to ep, it seems to be managing to juggle quite a few threads OK

the kendall casablancas revelation is a bit of a weird one. makes you wonder why she was hanging around w/ logan and desperate w/ duncan and stuff, when she has the fitzpatricks behind her, etc

I'm still enjoying it

wonder what happens when they graduate

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

that was awesome. I was seriously grinding my teeth with anxiety the whole time. Harry Hamlin=creepiest motherfucker ever.

horsehoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Why did Woody take a runner? Ooooh, an .mp3 of two people saying Woody touched them, that'll hold up in court! And why did the Indian casino owner just now decide to spring the crooked player?

They waited too long to wrap up too many loose ends, some things read like major deus ex machinae. Unless the season finale is like four hours long or something and then it's all good.

Did I just overestimate how close Wallace and Veronica are - what's with the "I'll miss you" speech in the hall?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

do you mean why weren't Wallace and Veronica more demonstrative during that scene, or why did he say he'd miss her? if it's the latter, I think that was just referring to the fact that he assumes she's going to leave town next year for Stanford. if it's the former, then, yeah, that would have been a nice moment for a hug.

this season did fuck up the timing of the main arc, but this episode was decently suspenseful, so I'm hoping the finale will be, too.

horsehoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

crooked ballplayer, I mean.

And yeah, just being more demonstrative, and then they're presumably going to see each other at graduation/parties and during the summer.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

and then they're presumably going to see each other at graduation/parties and during the summer.

aw, graduation parties. i just had a burst of nostalgia. it's true, it was a little dramatic, which might have been hedging of bets in case the show doesn't get renewed.

horsehoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:13 (eighteen years ago) link

holy shit, dudes. just, holy shit.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

WTF OMG WTF

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

They never explained what the deal was with the creepy family, did they - the grandparents of Duncan's baby? They were the ones who posted bail for the nut who was going after Guttenberg, and then they offered a reward for his capture (I thought they were working together or something) - I didn't understand that plotline much.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

no, they didn't really. all we know from earlier in the season is that Meg's parents were abusive and that they had some connection with Lucky.

I sort of think that the end of the episode was Veronica's dream, from the moment Keith shows up alive until the end. it was just so bizarre.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

the episode RJG posted last about is the last one i've seen and I have to say it's the best veronica mars yet! covering my eyes.. hitting send.. thoughts to come

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 02:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Great episode.

Meg's parents hired the guy to find Woody when it became apparent that he was involved in her death. Pretty straightforward.

Just a thoroughly satisfying conclusion to a lot of plot arcs, no matter how stupid the Echolls trial happened to be.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

so will logan go [in place of keith mars] to nyc with veronica?

drone/a/sore (drone/a/sore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm curious how they're going to handle the high school to college transition, which has killed many a similar show.

Does this mean that Duncan's baby has the clap?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:46 (eighteen years ago) link

well, I think chlamydia in the mother can cause a baby to experience infection, but that's within the first weeks of its life, so I'd say baby Lilly is in the clear.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I am still enjoying this, i am glad it has started to pick back up again after some truly dreadful episodes in the middle.

jeffrey (johnson), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Taking a break from my self-imposed ILExile, but I have to brag: ahem. (WARNING: PRESCIENT SPOILER.)

Too many threads wrapped up too quickly (as though this finale was for the series?!?! re: VM no longer being lock for making the CW schedule next year), which diluted the OMGness of thee BIG REVEAL. But I refuse -- nay, STRONG REFUSE to believe that Keith might have bought it and that the ending "THE MARS ARE GOING TO DELAWARE NYC!!" was a dream, even if the cinematography was washed out like her actual dream sequences in the episode. But (jone) dayam, V's heartbreak at the airport equals ~*tear*~

c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Are Logan and Veronica really back together? What was in Kendall's briefcase? Now that Kendall's rich, is she still going to divorce Big Dick and get back together with that one Fitzpatrick guy? What beach is Duncan on? Who won the Kane scholarship? Can Logan and Little Dick still be friends after all this? Who's going to get tagged for the Aaron Echols murder? If Clarence Weidman, Jr. knows how to get in touch with Duncan, does that mean Jake Kane is funding him? Will the newly-rich Logan Echolls give Weevil money to fund his defense for killing Thumper? Is anybody ever going to get convicted of Felix's murder? Will we ever see Logan's Veronica-clone chippy again? Is Lynne Echolls really dead?

J (Jay), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I would love more Lynn Echolls followup, for sure. She must have had one or two secrets.

I struggle to care what was in Kendall's briefcase, but I just can't. Still, I loved the finale.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Can Logan and Little Dick still be friends after all this?

What would prevent them from being friends? Little Dick is not his brother's keeper.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

The scene with Veronica and Haaron in the elevator was amazing.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The cinematography didn't look any different to me when Keith showed up compared to the rest of the episode.

I'm almost disappointed they didn't kill him, really. It seems like that would be a radical move for a series like this. Parents die, but never ones so integral to the series and so connected to the main character - it would be like having the Cohens suddenly die on the OC.

xp - I didn't think about the public linking teh Guttenberg to the bus (only the kiddie-touching), but there's still something unexplained about that situation. Why did they bail out the crazy guy who attacked Woody's daughter?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Parents die, but never ones so integral to the series and so connected to the main character - it would be like having the Cohens suddenly die on the OC.

It didn't work out too well for Eight Simple Rules....

Keith and Wallace are the spiritual core of the show, imo. Killing either of them off (or getting rid of them) would be a huge mistake on RT's part.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, now that Wallace has graduated, why not give the poor kid a job at Mars Investigations? Or maybe it'll close up, what with Lamb potentially being the ex-sherrif.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

No Keith = no show.

What would prevent them from being friends? Little Dick is not his brother's keeper.

A few thoughts: 1) Little Dick is now going to be totally on his own, since Kendall's got money, Beav is dead, and Big Dick's MIA. Can Little Dick survive financially or otherwise in that situation? 2) Will Little Dick blame Logan and/or Veronica for Beav's death? 3) Will Logan finally wake up and grow the fuck up? (NOTE: Definitely not counting on this one!)

J (Jay), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The whole season was about disappearing parents--Aaron in jail, the Kanes in exile, Dick Sr. fleeing the country, Dick & Beaver's mom going back to Europe, etc.--so when the plane exploded I had an honest-to-god-what-the-fuck moment. Like, of course this is where it was going, it makes perfect, tragic sense though you'd never expected it. So when Keith turned up alive I was disappointed. Though I suppose I agree with polyphonic and J; it'd be like when Giles left Buffy and that show went to shit.

I thought the finale was terrible, overwrought and ham-fisted where the show is usually cool with moments of genuine weirdness and terror, and far too implausible. It felt like they conveniently rewrote several characters and wrapped up too many loose ends.

"My name is CASSIDY" ugh.

Sentenza says, You're not digging (witchy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

hmm, i liked "My name is Cassidy." It was the only part of that entire scene that rung true to me.

I guess I've arrived at a point where I've stopped expecting the show to make any sense or have any real consistency of character.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I would add that if I was under the impression that my father had been blown up in a plane explosion, I would probably not go to sleep. I would probably be at the airport waiting for news.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Meg's parents hired the guy to find Woody when it became apparent that he was involved in her death. Pretty straightforward.

This was the mystery though: WHY was it apparent to Meg's parents Woody was involved in the bus crash? He was never a suspect, except at Mars Investigations, and even then pretty late. And the janitor had been harassing the Goodmans for awhile. So the implication was that the cabal of parents with dead kids that was set up in the first episode knew something we were meant to find out, only... we didn't.

Sentenza says, You're not digging (witchy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked it, if it turns out to be the last ever episode I'm going to try to convince myself that the Keith dies/dream-ending idea upthread is what actually happened, because that's loads better.

The bit with the briefcase - really lazy way to try to create suspense. But I did like the bit in the dream at the beginning where the writers took the piss out of the parallel universe cliche where a much loved character has something horrible happen to them because a seemingly meaningless event never happened ("Wallace Fennell? You didn't hear...?")

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Also--just to keep the complaints rolling--dramatically this episode was way off. Keith has just been killed in an explosion, Beaver has jumped off the roof to his death, Aaron has been assassinated, and now here's the really BIG scene: Jackie confessing she hasn't been entirely truthful about being a barista?!

Sentenza says, You're not digging (witchy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, great point.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

This was the mystery though: WHY was it apparent to Meg's parents Woody was involved in the bus crash? He was never a suspect, except at Mars Investigations, and even then pretty late.

I'm guessing that Lamb either put out an APB for Woody in connection with the bus crash (subtlety never was his strongpoint), or actually called the Megs himself. Reno isn't his jurisdiction, so someone other than he would have to find the guy.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw this show for the first time last night. All I have to say is that there sure are a lot of vampires in Sunnyvale.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

What the briefcase holds doesn't matter. (FYI, it's Marcellus Wallace's soul.) What does matter with the briefcase is that because of it, Keith stood up Veronica!

c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the dream about graduation if Lilly hadn't died was maybe the best part of the episode. is it wrong that I thought Wallace looked hot with the glasses? I hope that actor is at least 18...

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Have just checked, he's 23. Younger than me, but only by a month, fantastic.

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link


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