The Irish

obligatory Tim pat coogan, I've read collins but I'm told devalera is maybe better. I'll ask my better informed peers tho.

id recommend Tim Pat Coogan's IRA book. its well detailed and comprehensive.

Richard English's Armed Struggle is another good history of the IRA that'll make a lot of the background clear. Very readable, and felt fairly balanced.

Just this minute had a phone call with Armagh relatives where I told them I was getting married next July.

"July the 12th. Haha no I'm just joking god bless you".

YES SHE IS ENGLISH OK.

Like me and all your children and grandchildren.

Excuse my language. They wind me up.

I mean that's not even a Saturday.

wtf even asks is she English these days

prod, yes,obv you ask. English? nah

grats

to paraphrase sean connery in the untouchables - never bring a hammer to a spade fight

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/man-armed-with-hammer-tries-to-rob-from-chip-shop-until-staff-hit-back-with-a-spade-30495868.html

If anyone's around Howth and at a loose end I can't recommend the Ireland's Eye ferry trips enough.

Howth is very, very strange. It feels like there are all these special roads that locals know but don't tell anyone else about. I can't figure out how they get to their snazzy cliffside gaffs otherwise.

http://www.takepart.com/video/2014/09/27/watch-irish-people-taste-american-junk-food-first-time

^been inundating my fb feed for the last 24 hours.

my client does not hire Irish people due to the alcoholism nature of your kind

this thread should really be closed temporarily until the irish has returned from sabbatical

lol

finally reading "how the irish became white." it's a little less accessible than i had hoped and is one of those books where the 30-second summary is just as necessary as the whole thing.

didn't know the privilege as a meme thread had been published

I'm sceptical about the stats but there was a survey earlier in the year that suggested Koreans drink twice as much hard alcohol as any other nation on earth. Irish aren't close.

The excellent website of Dublin life and lore Come Here To Me! embarks on a discussion of that now vanished phenomenon “the Rathmines accent”, prompted by the (not, it must be said, enormously well vouched) idea that Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was taught English by an Irishman - in fact a native of Leinster Road in Rathmines.

The phrase seems to have been a simple shorthand term for posh or Anglified speech, which then as now tends to rub many ordinary citizens up the wrong way. Still, the accent had its uses, it seems: in 1942 “a married woman” and “a married man” (not married to each other, one assumes) were able to gain admission illicitly to one of Mr Paddy Belton’s licensed premises by saying they were from Rathmines. They were, in fact, from Santry and were fined 5/- each for the imposture at Kilmainham District Court.

Dublin Review of Books

+ Lenin

Come Here To Me is brilliant. Their book is a great read.

Is Rathmines still all that posh? I suppose it must be really.

was mostly student housing rentals that were owned by pretty well-off ppl, no? though obvs rathgaaaaaar has it well beaten in the posh department.

also, I feel that the accent described upthread still proliferates in Foxrock.

Dartry was always very posh. I think anything above the fancy butchers in Upper Rathmines Road is posh Rathmines.

Fair point about Rathgar though.

Accent is pure southside ("SoCoDu" iirc) - not just Foxrock. Present wherever there is a speech and drama class and the postcodes are even...

I associate with Foxrock because I recall living in SoCoDu for a few years, including Blackrock for a bit, and interviewing for a job as a student at this palace in Foxrock. The woman had THE poshest accent I'd ever heard, when I innocently asked where she was from, she fixed me with a glare and spat "here".

Palace not the most incorrect typo perhaps?

It is very posh, true.

Greystones has become ridiculously posh. Ditto Malahide. It's like to create posh Dubs, just add water (and a marina).

Greystones has always been half posh half Wicklow

Props to Bray for keeping it real.

not a typo at all, I needed to pack a lunch just to trek up the ten mile drive

Fair enough. Decent of her not to set hounds on you for cheeky question re. origins.

One of the oddest place in Dublin is Rathfarnham. Should be posh but feels like a weird halfway house to absolutely nowhere. Even Marlay Park feels weirdly peripheral. Like Tymon Park but older obviously.

*places

I worked 15 years ago with a man named Orson, and remember erstwhile IlXoR accentmonkey making a joke about setting fire to houses in Foxrock.

Great days, Gay, great days.

I heard him recently on Lyric FM (Gaybo rather than the posh firestarter) and it actually took me a moment to realise it wasn't Oliver Callan he's become such a parody of himself. Daycent choons all the same.

I worked 15 years ago with a man named Orson, and remember erstwhile IlXoR accentmonkey making a joke about setting fire to houses in Foxrock.

Great days, Gay, great days.

― Andrew Farrell

heh

Jesus I leave the country for like several years and ye get rid of the pink Snack? they are the worst Snack but even so

true and true

the water charge protests won't be in it imo

Lies! I was just 5 hours ago looking at a packet of them in the wee Spar in Dublin Airport Terminal 2

nah you'd want to get rid of the purple snack for that level of outrage

pink snack is more like...that time the Journal made a completely terrible list ranking biscuits available in Ireland

could be the last of the old stock? like those TK lollipops that were phased out everywhere yet you could always get them in that Centra off Cathal Brugha St until at least 2009

xp (surely in the fullness of time to become an interpretative centre itself)

http://www.donegalnow.com/article/9972

It was bad enough reducing the fingers from three to two, but now a Dublin man has begun a campaign.

oi

He has suddenly got geat support from all over Ireland, including Donegal

He has suddenly got geat support from all over Ireland, including Donegal

In case readers of Donegal Now were wondering why there were harps on all their money.

it is that sort of weird no-man's land all tucked away up there

i mean, the train doesn't even go there still, does it?

donegal is a fine place but a hard case and if they seceded I'd not blame them much

but turning sinn féin is no fucking way to go about things neither

where would they secede to? their own republic? at least they'd get the trains running on ti-

oh chrisht u better hope #0 dont pop in

Snacks are such a granny-visit bar. Yellow clear favourites.

Donegal could secede to Iceland. Donegal Catch wouldn't have to sweat the quotas.

Jesus they'd go for that I'm practically authorised to speak on behalf of killybegs meself

yellow, really? if there were enough Irish ilxors for a poll, I'd expect purple to walk it.

purple def the type of niche indie option I'd expect ILX to go for tbh!

but I would not be able to vote in such a poll a world without any of em is a poorer place and they occupy v different needs imo