2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

lol captain save-a-brit here.

lol im rong

i don't think this was a cynical move by obama to put out a 'hillary is a monster story' rly, and the comment was completely attributable and looked like a fuck-up. meanwhile HRC has not categorically denied the drudge leak, so yeah she does look a bit dirtier.

yeah sorry tracer i tried, i just cant get up the energy to pretend obama is just as sleazy as hillz

I agree with hit it and quit it, this is pathetic - On Hillary's side and on Obama's side. Samantha Power is/was a pretty incredible surrogate - I saw her on Democracy Now! a couple of weeks ago - and an incredible asset to the campaign. And members of Hillary's campain have done far worse and haven't even been called on it, let alone fire. AND this was supposed to be off the record... between this and the Canada/NAFTA non-story leak, I'm thinkng there's something fishy going on here..

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deej i don't think either of them are "sleazy"!! you are incredibly good at missing the point.

good lord I hope if Hillary wins the presidency we don't get four years of playing the fucking victim

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left to right: clinton, power

i hope we all get jobs and a horse to ride on

It's ridiculous that Powers had to quit over this, on the other hand, you're an advisor to a campaign in 2008 when everyone is scrutinizing everything everyone says, watch what you fucking say, right? DUMB

She said "this is off the record" but it got published anyway: ?

"That's the one thing that terrifies me," Ms. Power says. "That I'll say something that will somehow hurt the candidate." She says that in public lectures and interviews, she sometimes fights the urge to make unkind statements about other candidates. "That's just not Obama's style," she says. "Left to my own devices, I'd articulate my frustrations in a much harsher way."

from last october, apparently. via ben smith

Archivists Block Release of Clinton Papers

She said "this is off the record" but it got published anyway: ?

well it's kinda hardball on the reporter's part but if you're talking to a source and they say some crazy shit and then go "wait wait it's off the record" after they said it ... and you don't care about pissing them off ... then it's probably fair game

that or, as in this case, the journo is a no-mark and they figure it will bump their status.

the article itself gets into it:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp

Ms Power's comments reveal how the inexperienced Obama campaign

nice and inaccurate editorializing there

Even The Corner agrees:

I think it's too bad she lost her Obama-advising job over the Hillary "monster" comment. I wouldn't have reported it if she had said it to me and immediately asked to take it off the record. But then I think people should be encouraged to talk to fair-minded reporters rather than be made to fear returning journalists' phone calls.

Sometimes, public figures say something and then attempt to retract it by insisting it was "off the record" after the event.

But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published.

In this instance, Samantha Power was promoting her book and it was established in advance that the interview was on the record

yah we got that the interview was on-the-record... because it was promoting a book... the paper was technically within its rights to do this, i guess, but their defence is really weak shit, puffing up spurious "public interest" as justification and even hinting that the interview was actually about the book SP was promoting. is it really in the public interest to know that an adviser -- not a campaign staffer -- harbours less than sisterly feelings toward her boss's political rival? schoolyard bullshit.

This whole issue is ridiculous. Way overblown, she didn't have to be sacrificed.

just because the nation regurgitates limbaugh as if he worth listening to doesn't mean you have to hillary has to go on his program

comments pretty much OTM

Power should have said she was misquoted. "No, I said she reminded me of Grandpa Munster."

the paper was technically within its rights to do this

schoolyard bullshit

agree with both of these things

shady of them to print it, but whattayagonnado. if you are talking to some nobody tabloid reporter, don't start spouting off.

it's a shame all around. wtf was samantha thinking? obviously she wasn't. the journo saw gold, the editor saw influence, and now Obama's minus one quality advisor.

Sorry to derail and I know I MUST be the only one, but every time I look at this thread, some part of my mind wants 'primaries' to mean ape tits.

lol at advisors winning elections

now Obama's minus one quality advisor

maybe he can hire her back if he wins the primary

cuz no one will fire her over saying McCain's a monster.

Frankly, if she was unwise enough to make that kind of comment in front of any member of the press, what other lapses in judgment might she have harbored?

that's a joke, right?

and now Obama's minus one quality advisor.

Alright, I’ve tried to avoid this shit, but what? Quality advisor? Every misstep Senator Obama has made with foreign policy during this can be pointed towards her.

Muddling in Kenya on the eve of Mr. Annan’s arrival and playing hawk on the federal territories immediately spring to mind. Both of these smell of her extremely unpolished approach to policy.

She was purged this early because now that she is on the news networks the campaign is praying that KSG students are not asked about other suggestive comments she’s made in the past.

I'm not saying the whole thing isn't a tempest in a teapot, but she got caught saying something impolitic and got sacrificed. How is this surprising?

What was wrong with Obama's conduct in Kenya?

Clinton Again Suggests Shared Ticket With Obama

"I've had people say, 'Well I wish I could vote for both of you.' Well, that might be possible some day," Hillary says on the trail in Mississippi. "But first I need your vote on Tuesday." It's the second time she's hinted at running with Obama this week.

i can see why saying this benefits her. most dems like both candidates, but also think she's got more experience and thus should be at the top of the ticket if they run together? if people think they're going to run together anyways, they'd go with her at the top, i guess, with the whole experience narrative. also takes some of the negative slime off of her, makes her look like she's reaching out to him. kind of a weird move that automatically paints him as the secondary candidate and her as the frontrunner.

I hope he doesn't run with her - who wants to play second fiddle to a broken record

Whomever loses this had best stay in the Senate.

I don't think New York or Illinois is in danger of giving up a vacant seat to a Republican.

in IL you might be surprised

Illinois may be!

this video's pretty funny, it's hillary's 3 am ad run together with those approval-meter things:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/3_am_tested.html

(he had the wrong video up for a little while, it should be corrected)

Well, if Obama vacated his seat, Gov. Blagodonividaksisady would fill it with a Democrat.

IL has some pretty strange and contentious state-level politics, on the realz.

The gov? I do not trust that man. I don't think anyone does, really.

It's not so mauch that that I worry about, pp, but they're not going to want to get sullied by the administration of the other (which will likely only offer them a job infamously valued less than a pitcher of warm spit) and lose their seniority in the Senate.

it's warm PISS

So it is, I see. I never knew that had been bowdlerized.

it wasn't bowdlerized it was CENSORED

hillarys calls for obama to be vp are really disturbing and i think it could be effective :-/

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"you can be my veep any time"