Malaysia Airlines MH370

About 60 Dutch citizens on board, and Reuters just reported 23 USA citizens too.

Link? Not finding this out there.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/489824863725813760

@JF http://mic.cm/1tW8BFu

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

Ah yes, Ty Cake. My phone's going mental with press alarms from Reuters etc, but wasn't able to paste it.

pics of dead bodies in the link LBI just posted btw

I wasn't aware of that, didn't scroll down that much, apologies

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.)

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/531/930/8f6.gif

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

oh ffs

won't somebody think of the children gun industry

POTUS speech in 20m

"19:00: A tweet (in Russian) from a key Twitter account used by pro-Russian separatists, in which they claim to have captured a Buk surface-to-air missile system, has now been deleted, BBC Monitoring observes. Ukrainians say the Malaysian plane could have been downed with a Buk, but pro-Russian rebels have now denied they have it."

The tweet is from June 29, and is still google cached:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3ANF6E5FCKFNEJ%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdnrpress%2Fstatus%2F483248037629018112

The black box will be handed over to Moscow. What could possibly go wrong amirite?

POTUS speech in 20m

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:52 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why does anyone care what POTUS has to say about this. it involves a flight from europe to asia passing over the Ukraine. the us has fuck all to do with any of this.

yeah it's on the other side of the world, the u.s. won't get involved

For one, there's 23 US citizens on board, supposedly. Xp

For one, there's 23 US citizens on board, supposedly. Xp

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, July 17, 2014 2:19 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does the potus weigh in everytime an american citizen dies anywhere now is that a thing

23, 1 who even cares

s.clover, with US mounting pressure on Russia already with sanctions etc, if this turns out to be an act of Russia, and the UN will get involved, you bet USA is 'involved', whether it wants to or not.

this is a massive fucking fuck up of massive levels, russian better own up to it if they are culpable.

It's almost certainly not Russia. There has been speculation that Russia fired missiles into Ukraine after Ukraine bombed a village in Russia by accident but it's far more likely that it was separatists if the reports of them having a BUK are correct. They have been under extremely heavy aerial bombardment from the Ukrainian Air Force recently and have been trying to hit back.

does the potus weigh in everytime an american citizen dies anywhere now is that a thing

a bunch of a country's citizens die abroad and the leader of that says something about it

yeah that's "a thing" "now" if by "a thing" you mean "standard protocol for heads of state" and by "now" you mean "for as long as anyone can remember"

you're forgetting something: the maine

more of a Lusitania type deal

s. clover with some real food for thought here

wsj/guardian reporting that it was def a missile strike by ukrainian separatists

you mean Pro Russian separatists?

y

They are reporting that it was a missile but I haven't seen them confirm it was separatists, though it's probable. They have now admitted they have two BUK systems but claim that neither is currently operational.

somebody is scared to f*ck as to being found out.

I wouldn't be surprised if people directly responsible are already dead

Oh no doubt.

Both KLM and Lufthansa announced they are avoiding Ukraine airspace indefinitely.

keeping it classy (or nervous?)

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said: "Undoubtedly, the government in whose air space this happened bears responsibility for this terrible tragedy," according to a Kremlin statement.

Putin wants to use this as leverage against Ukraine obviously

A couple of his thugs went rogue (or not?) and took down a commercial airliner. He's definitely going to make lemonade out of these lemons.

in Russia lemons make lemonade out of YOU

not certain those dots join up (if it was the Russian-endorsed rebels who brought the plane down, won't it be a stretch to convincingly blame Kiev?) but yeah he's definitely trying to get out in front of the story

I don't think they went rogue, they messed up.

http://i.imgur.com/rkdyrJJ.jpg

The chat transcripts make it pretty clear they were shocked themselves to discover they didn't find weapons in the debree, but passports of civilians.

Russia's argument would presumably be that Ukraine turned a regional uprising into a full-scale air / land war when they started using bombers and fighter jets against the separatists and prompted the separatists to start using captured anti aircraft systems, but nobody comes out of this clean. I would expect Russia to put further distance between themselves and rebels.

lol "Terrorist"

xp

how conclusive are the allegations that russia has furnished the separatists with weapons?

I think the evidence of supplying them with aid and firearms is pretty conclusive. I'm under the impression the separatists acquired larger artillery from raiding Ukrainian military bases.

well you know, there's the video of some of them saying they came in from Russia. And are Russian.

Yep, there is limited evidence they're getting much in the way of material support but Russia has done nothing to stop lots of people who wanted to go and fight from crossing the border.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/07/the-faas-notice-prohibiting-airline-flights-over-ukraine/374622/

Apparently the FAA prohibited flying over an area in the region but it wasn't the region where the plane was shot down

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/489912715788296192/photo/1

Here's the separatist leader, at the scene

A large contingent of those on board this flight were Aus and other European HIV/immunology experts who were all on the way here for a big AIDS conference (ive seen banners all over the city advertising it).

Jeez

Just saw via FB that a friend of mine flew on MH17 24 hours before the one that crashed