Malaysia Airlines MH370

all seems to be stemming from an social media post (the cyrillic text caek mentions above) purporting to be by this guy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/world/europe/russian-seizes-authority-over-ukraine-rebels.html

I think you would need the kind of tech that only the Russian and Ukrainian military would have access to.

Separatists can take down jets flying low on bombing / strafing raids, though.

how the Russian or Ukrainian military would mis-identify a passenger plane is p o_0

yeah it's a screenshot of a facebook (?) post which itself included screenshots of the crash from the news stories about a *passenger* jet being shot down

seems odd (i.e. fake) for a military leader to use news images of a passenger crash to claim he'd just shot down a military plane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 xp

The American military managed it in 1988 (xp)

Oops

according to this guy its a VK page:

Michael Weiss @michaeldweiss · 19m
Here's what happened. Russian GRU agent Strelkov issues statement saying he downed a Ukrainian cargo plane. But no cargo planed was downed.

Michael Weiss @michaeldweiss · 8m
Just to clarify: Strelkov's comments posted to a VKontake page through which he's relayed his statements for months.

the ukranians are saying the separatists were using a Buk missile system, some versions of which have an 82,000ft range:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

the separatists are apparently saying they don't have access to such a system

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5912677/plane-ukraine-malaysia

http://i.imgur.com/2ziLlOD.jpg

This is what I meant (read bottom to up)

Xp what anonanon is saying too

damn

https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/status/489802664264212480/photo/1

right let's go wwIII

it is very very easy for a commercial airliner to be confused w/ a bomber in a tense war zone.

i do it all the time

About 60 Dutch citizens on board, and Reuters just reported 23 USA citizens too.

... now the shit hits the fan

This report is from about 3 weeks ago:

"The self-defense forces of Donetsk People’s Republic seized control of a Ukrainian anti-air military installation, RIA Novosti reports.

"The forces of Donetsk People’s Republic assumed control of A-1402 military base," the militia's representative said. According to him, it is an anti-aircraft missile forces facility equipped with Buk mobile surface-to-air missile systems.
During the last several days the militia took control of two internal security troops' installations in eastern Ukraine.

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-takes-control-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/";

oops

That would fit with the increase in successful attempts to take down bombers in the last couple of weeks.

god i'd forgotten how poorly kal 007 was handled

by both sides

Maybe EU will stop dragging its feet on getting serious with Russia now.

About 60 Dutch citizens on board, and Reuters just reported 23 USA citizens too.

Link? Not finding this out there.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/489824863725813760

@JF http://mic.cm/1tW8BFu

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

Ah yes, Ty Cake. My phone's going mental with press alarms from Reuters etc, but wasn't able to paste it.

pics of dead bodies in the link LBI just posted btw

I wasn't aware of that, didn't scroll down that much, apologies

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.)

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/531/930/8f6.gif

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

oh ffs

won't somebody think of the children gun industry

POTUS speech in 20m

"19:00: A tweet (in Russian) from a key Twitter account used by pro-Russian separatists, in which they claim to have captured a Buk surface-to-air missile system, has now been deleted, BBC Monitoring observes. Ukrainians say the Malaysian plane could have been downed with a Buk, but pro-Russian rebels have now denied they have it."

The tweet is from June 29, and is still google cached:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3ANF6E5FCKFNEJ%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdnrpress%2Fstatus%2F483248037629018112

The black box will be handed over to Moscow. What could possibly go wrong amirite?

POTUS speech in 20m

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:52 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why does anyone care what POTUS has to say about this. it involves a flight from europe to asia passing over the Ukraine. the us has fuck all to do with any of this.

yeah it's on the other side of the world, the u.s. won't get involved

For one, there's 23 US citizens on board, supposedly. Xp

For one, there's 23 US citizens on board, supposedly. Xp

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, July 17, 2014 2:19 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does the potus weigh in everytime an american citizen dies anywhere now is that a thing

23, 1 who even cares

s.clover, with US mounting pressure on Russia already with sanctions etc, if this turns out to be an act of Russia, and the UN will get involved, you bet USA is 'involved', whether it wants to or not.

this is a massive fucking fuck up of massive levels, russian better own up to it if they are culpable.

It's almost certainly not Russia. There has been speculation that Russia fired missiles into Ukraine after Ukraine bombed a village in Russia by accident but it's far more likely that it was separatists if the reports of them having a BUK are correct. They have been under extremely heavy aerial bombardment from the Ukrainian Air Force recently and have been trying to hit back.

does the potus weigh in everytime an american citizen dies anywhere now is that a thing

a bunch of a country's citizens die abroad and the leader of that says something about it

yeah that's "a thing" "now" if by "a thing" you mean "standard protocol for heads of state" and by "now" you mean "for as long as anyone can remember"

you're forgetting something: the maine

more of a Lusitania type deal

s. clover with some real food for thought here

wsj/guardian reporting that it was def a missile strike by ukrainian separatists

you mean Pro Russian separatists?

y