Malaysia Airlines MH370

that facebook post is just too much ..

this is so f*cked up

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/07/17/the-malaysian-flight-that-crashed-in-ukraine-was-on-the-same-route-it-flew-every-day/

Leader of the separatists earlier claimed they shot down a Ukranian army plane. Turns out it was this one. This is beyond horrible.

europe - asia flights pass over iran, afghanistan, iraq, etc.

― caek, Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:35 AM (14 minutes ago)

this isn't always true though, I had a flight routed around bosnia/croatia during the Bosnian war.

also i've only flown in and out of Dubai on a connecting flight but I was pretty sure we stayed over Saudi/the gulf and didn't enter Iran/Iraq airspace which was more direct.

it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to reroute flights to pass north of the ukraine well away from the conflict area and then turn south, probably?

this exact flight was about to fly over iran and afghanistan in a couple of hours. it happens all the time.

also it was flying at 10,000 ft, so well well beyond the reach of crackpots on the ground. i don't think it crossed anyone's mind that a ground military or air force would take down a civilian plane. (it's also not clear that's what happened fwiw, despite screenshots of cycrillic text that none of us can read being posted to twitter.)

10,000 m sorry

You would think it would be easy to spot the difference between a Boeing 777 and a fighter jet but maybe this is what happens when you supply ground-to-air missile to cretins.

(xxp) Ah right, I'm no aviation expert (as you can tell!)

Difficult to see why Ukrainian military would shoot down a plane given that the separatists apparently only have one jet. Also difficult to see how separatists would have been able to, given their limited capabilities.

Diplomats not ruling out emergency meeting of UN Security Council over Ukraine disaster - ITAR-TASS

Leader of the separatists earlier claimed they shot down a Ukranian army plane. Turns out it was this one. This is beyond horrible.

― In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:48 (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Do you have a source for this? The reports I've seen just say that all possible culprits are denying responsibility.

I've just heard a fellow from the BBC's Ukranian monitoring service say that separatists were boasting about having shot down a military plane (online I assume) and then they stopped

... boasting that is

I may be behind on my ground to air missiles its blowing my mom and that you can shoot a plane down while 10km below it

my mind ffs

Wow, sehr Freudian

Seandalai, yes, I meent what Tom D. is saying. A separatist leader tweeted about it, a Ukraine watcher on Dutch telly reported it.

all seems to be stemming from an social media post (the cyrillic text caek mentions above) purporting to be by this guy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/world/europe/russian-seizes-authority-over-ukraine-rebels.html

I think you would need the kind of tech that only the Russian and Ukrainian military would have access to.

Separatists can take down jets flying low on bombing / strafing raids, though.

how the Russian or Ukrainian military would mis-identify a passenger plane is p o_0

yeah it's a screenshot of a facebook (?) post which itself included screenshots of the crash from the news stories about a *passenger* jet being shot down

seems odd (i.e. fake) for a military leader to use news images of a passenger crash to claim he'd just shot down a military plane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 xp

The American military managed it in 1988 (xp)

Oops

according to this guy its a VK page:

Michael Weiss @michaeldweiss · 19m
Here's what happened. Russian GRU agent Strelkov issues statement saying he downed a Ukrainian cargo plane. But no cargo planed was downed.

Michael Weiss @michaeldweiss · 8m
Just to clarify: Strelkov's comments posted to a VKontake page through which he's relayed his statements for months.

the ukranians are saying the separatists were using a Buk missile system, some versions of which have an 82,000ft range:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

the separatists are apparently saying they don't have access to such a system

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5912677/plane-ukraine-malaysia

http://i.imgur.com/2ziLlOD.jpg

This is what I meant (read bottom to up)

Xp what anonanon is saying too

damn

https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/status/489802664264212480/photo/1

right let's go wwIII

it is very very easy for a commercial airliner to be confused w/ a bomber in a tense war zone.

i do it all the time

About 60 Dutch citizens on board, and Reuters just reported 23 USA citizens too.

... now the shit hits the fan

This report is from about 3 weeks ago:

"The self-defense forces of Donetsk People’s Republic seized control of a Ukrainian anti-air military installation, RIA Novosti reports.

"The forces of Donetsk People’s Republic assumed control of A-1402 military base," the militia's representative said. According to him, it is an anti-aircraft missile forces facility equipped with Buk mobile surface-to-air missile systems.
During the last several days the militia took control of two internal security troops' installations in eastern Ukraine.

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_29/Donetsk-militia-takes-control-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/";

oops

That would fit with the increase in successful attempts to take down bombers in the last couple of weeks.

god i'd forgotten how poorly kal 007 was handled

by both sides

Maybe EU will stop dragging its feet on getting serious with Russia now.

About 60 Dutch citizens on board, and Reuters just reported 23 USA citizens too.

Link? Not finding this out there.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/489824863725813760

@JF http://mic.cm/1tW8BFu

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

Ah yes, Ty Cake. My phone's going mental with press alarms from Reuters etc, but wasn't able to paste it.

pics of dead bodies in the link LBI just posted btw

I wasn't aware of that, didn't scroll down that much, apologies

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.)

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/531/930/8f6.gif

On BBC right now, US reporter worried about the possible effect on increased sanctions on the supply of AK47 and automatic weapons to US customers!

oh ffs

won't somebody think of the children gun industry