2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

"flummoxed" > "hornswoggled". Good word though.

cheers?

morbs just because the nation regurgitates limbaugh as if he worth listening to doesn't mean you have to

down in the blood and the beer

deej you wanna throw a verb in there or something so i know what you're hornswoggled by this time?

-- Tracer Hand, Friday, March 7, 2008 8:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

the only double standard in this thread is how you treat me vs. yancey

'winky'

I think knowing what the Gargoyle sez is intriguing, TH, it doesn't mean they're Words of Wisdom

dude all that is is a list of tough questions asked of hillary and the presumption that when the media says that they ask the tough questions of the frontrunner, they mean the frontrunner at that particular minute and not the person who has been the campaign frontrunner for most of the election

its not like she started citing past presidential debates or anything

ha, deej, i think it's more a measure of a campaign advisor under pressure forgetting of the sanctioned message to vent. it's certainly an idiot thing to say during any campaign, but i don't think you can characterize it as calculated.

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, March 7, 2008 8:51 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

i dunno. it implants the image that people think hillary is creepy and yet the aid has to apologize to obama also, reinforcing the meme that the obama campaign is all about playing nice. at worst this does no damage to obama (unless of course some memo leaks implying this was intentional)

idea of firing samantha power over this is fucking ridic; it's not like she intimated that hillary was, i dunno, a drugged-dealing secret muslim or something.

hillary's stupid to make a big case out of this i think

idea of firing samantha power over this is fucking ridic; it's not like she intimated that hillary was, i dunno, a drugged-dealing secret muslim or something.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, March 7, 2008 10:37 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

the other thing is that obama would look weak if he fired her after hillary made a case out of it, there's no way he's gonna do that

another reason i suspect this was a set-up - it was a female advisor to obama that did this, if it had been a guy there would have been creepy misogynistic overtones

it was a half-decent attempt to save the campaign from embarrassment, but the clinton campaign is calling for the advisor's head right now, so it hasn't fully played out yet.

but fwiw, i'd caution people making 'candidate is a secret machiavellian mastermind' assumptions against clinton OR obama

another reason i suspect this was a set-up

dude, the puppet strings aren't there.

MSNBC says she's gone. fucking idiotic.

hey im just throwing a bone to the 'obama is just as manipulative!!!' crowd

lol captain save-a-brit here.

lol im rong

i don't think this was a cynical move by obama to put out a 'hillary is a monster story' rly, and the comment was completely attributable and looked like a fuck-up. meanwhile HRC has not categorically denied the drudge leak, so yeah she does look a bit dirtier.

yeah sorry tracer i tried, i just cant get up the energy to pretend obama is just as sleazy as hillz

I agree with hit it and quit it, this is pathetic - On Hillary's side and on Obama's side. Samantha Power is/was a pretty incredible surrogate - I saw her on Democracy Now! a couple of weeks ago - and an incredible asset to the campaign. And members of Hillary's campain have done far worse and haven't even been called on it, let alone fire. AND this was supposed to be off the record... between this and the Canada/NAFTA non-story leak, I'm thinkng there's something fishy going on here..

http://www.deletehillary.com/images/cookiemonsterhillary.jpg

deej i don't think either of them are "sleazy"!! you are incredibly good at missing the point.

good lord I hope if Hillary wins the presidency we don't get four years of playing the fucking victim

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/64/250px-Alice-queen-hearts.jpg

left to right: clinton, power

i hope we all get jobs and a horse to ride on

It's ridiculous that Powers had to quit over this, on the other hand, you're an advisor to a campaign in 2008 when everyone is scrutinizing everything everyone says, watch what you fucking say, right? DUMB

She said "this is off the record" but it got published anyway: ?

"That's the one thing that terrifies me," Ms. Power says. "That I'll say something that will somehow hurt the candidate." She says that in public lectures and interviews, she sometimes fights the urge to make unkind statements about other candidates. "That's just not Obama's style," she says. "Left to my own devices, I'd articulate my frustrations in a much harsher way."

from last october, apparently. via ben smith

Archivists Block Release of Clinton Papers

She said "this is off the record" but it got published anyway: ?

well it's kinda hardball on the reporter's part but if you're talking to a source and they say some crazy shit and then go "wait wait it's off the record" after they said it ... and you don't care about pissing them off ... then it's probably fair game

that or, as in this case, the journo is a no-mark and they figure it will bump their status.

the article itself gets into it:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp

Ms Power's comments reveal how the inexperienced Obama campaign

nice and inaccurate editorializing there

Even The Corner agrees:

I think it's too bad she lost her Obama-advising job over the Hillary "monster" comment. I wouldn't have reported it if she had said it to me and immediately asked to take it off the record. But then I think people should be encouraged to talk to fair-minded reporters rather than be made to fear returning journalists' phone calls.

Sometimes, public figures say something and then attempt to retract it by insisting it was "off the record" after the event.

But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published.

In this instance, Samantha Power was promoting her book and it was established in advance that the interview was on the record

yah we got that the interview was on-the-record... because it was promoting a book... the paper was technically within its rights to do this, i guess, but their defence is really weak shit, puffing up spurious "public interest" as justification and even hinting that the interview was actually about the book SP was promoting. is it really in the public interest to know that an adviser -- not a campaign staffer -- harbours less than sisterly feelings toward her boss's political rival? schoolyard bullshit.

This whole issue is ridiculous. Way overblown, she didn't have to be sacrificed.

just because the nation regurgitates limbaugh as if he worth listening to doesn't mean you have to hillary has to go on his program

comments pretty much OTM

Power should have said she was misquoted. "No, I said she reminded me of Grandpa Munster."

the paper was technically within its rights to do this

schoolyard bullshit

agree with both of these things

shady of them to print it, but whattayagonnado. if you are talking to some nobody tabloid reporter, don't start spouting off.

it's a shame all around. wtf was samantha thinking? obviously she wasn't. the journo saw gold, the editor saw influence, and now Obama's minus one quality advisor.

Sorry to derail and I know I MUST be the only one, but every time I look at this thread, some part of my mind wants 'primaries' to mean ape tits.

lol at advisors winning elections

now Obama's minus one quality advisor

maybe he can hire her back if he wins the primary

cuz no one will fire her over saying McCain's a monster.

Frankly, if she was unwise enough to make that kind of comment in front of any member of the press, what other lapses in judgment might she have harbored?

that's a joke, right?