Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

The idea that a man's worth is in his productivity/success and that if HE can't be "successful" then everyone who was his responsibility must cease to exist, is just..........beyond. I can hardly form sentences when I think about this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nursing_home_shooting

A NURSING HOME. What do you have to do to be even worse than your average spree shooter? Murder a bunch of helpless fogeys, apparently.

I'm sure this has been said before, but It's kind of disheartening how these mass murders have become an accepted fact of life. This was the 4th story on NPR's hourly news report today. Yeah, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world and maybe this is the forth most important story of the day, but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

Perhaps, but then again I believe these things have always happened all the time, everywhere, they're just far more publicized now due to 24-hour-news cycles. It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

― Super Cub, Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:36 PM

ya some people even think its great (see thread title)

It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is
virtually non-existent. Usually these sort of societies have had a very strong social cohesion and a strict set of shared moralities though, with little room for nonconformism. I would assume there's a lot of variation between different countries of the world in the frequency of murder sprees though. It's inevitable in any society that people will go nuts, but the choices of what you do when you go nuts seem to be at least partially influenced by your surrounding culture. And in most Western societies a shooting spree seems to have become one of the "viable" alternatives for action, sadly. In the first school shooting spree in Finland, for example, it was later found out that the killer had some strong fascist/social Darwinist ideas and that he idolized the Columbine shooters.

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

(sorry)

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

I remember reading in some sociology textbook that certain Buddhist communities in Asia have had virtually no violent crime at all, but I can't find any information on that online right now. I probably shoudln't have used the word "society", since what I was talking about was small, geographically limited communities. Anyway, I don't really think there are any psychological disorders that people are born with, certainly not ones that automatically lead to a murder spree. Or can you name any?

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (8 hours ago) Bookmark

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090330/twl-man-murders-his-sisters-at-birthday-3fd0ae9.html

The policeman broke into the house and witnessed Revelus decapitating five-year-old Bianca, whose birthday cake was on the kitchen table.

Thanks for highlighting that.

really belongs on one of those "what the fuck is wrong with people/nuclear holocaust in 3 seconds" threads :-/

doesn't get much more fucked-up than that

Why do I even look at these threads?

I still can't believe that story. (Sadly, I can believe it happened in the Boston area.)

I really wish I hadn't even looked at this thread.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/nyregion/04hostage.html?hp

now with extra xenophobia. Yay, America.

^^ Huge conclusion-jump in that post -- see other thread for context

P.S. Re: the above thing about mental illness and society, I'm pretty sure most everything we know indicates that lots of deep mental illness has a big biological component, but the behavior that illness actually results in is heavily shaped by culture and environment.* But a lot of this is environment/culture in the kind of deep-down way that you can't exactly just decide to change one day.

* E.g., there are minor neuroses (like weird phobias) that are common and specific to certain cultures

Countries with stricter gun control like Britain and Japan (I think) have fewer shooting sprees and drive bys than we do in America. I think there are countries where cops don't even regularly carry guns.

and yet Japan has highest suicide rate in the world

also they grope womens on the train

and work way too hard and enjoy rape porn

also cartoons with school girls with penises.

Americans don't enjoy rape porn AT ALL.

Well, yes, limited access to guns is a pretty obvious physical way of keeping people from behaving certain ways with them

I was using that as an obvious example of behavior being shaped by culture and environment. Maybe if the Japanese had as easy access to guns as Americans do, they'd be less into rape porn and shoot each other more.

The fact that a country has a social problem doesn't imply anything about the success/failure of its gun control policies, does it?

"Country X places a high prices on tobacco products and as a result few of their citizens smoke nowadays."
"Yeah, but Country X's students score poorly on Science and Reading Comprehension."

??

Maybe we should be arming Japanese when they come to US just to see.

this is where i'm from. trying to get in touch with my mother, but she's a hospital administrator right down the road from the shooting and likely is very busy atm. she left me a voicemail earlier saying everything was ok, so im hoping for the best, but i'm really freaking out right now

Here's hoping she and staff are working well and helping people

Best wishes to you and yr ma, k3vin.

Japan has had several mass killings in recent years, but thankfully the death tolls have been smaller. The attackers have used knives. Gun violence is very unusual in Japan and usually involves organized crime hits.

xpost

Aum Shuriya bitchez

Shinrikyo even

god I can't type today

yeah when i first saw the headline all it said was new york state (i.e., not nyc) so i kind of gasped but i am not from that part, glad yr mom is ok k3vin

talked to my mom, everyone we know is ok. my stepfather performed surgery on one of the '5 taken to a hospital' and he is going to live. it's a pretty small city with shitty internal communication, so my mom said they thought there were going to be around 40 deaths earlier, but now it appears there will be under 20.

i have a feeling we'll be seeing more and more of these.

> ^^ Huge conclusion-jump in that post -- see other thread for context

It's my specialty. I'm not just going to give it up.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/03/state/n092921D51.DTL&tsp=1

Killer Santa used coke before rampage.

i have a feeling we'll be seeing more and more of these.

― Beatrix Kiddo, den 3 april 2009 20:10 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

feels like we are already?

3 police officers killed in Pittsburgh. The carnage continues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/us/05pittsburgh.html?hp

now with extra xenophobia. Yay, America.

― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags

or not, since the shooter was an immigrant. small relief, for some reason.

strange as it sounds, it is possible for immigrants to be xenophobic.

rolling 2008 disgruntled shootings thread

dr phil in behind the times shocker

And so it continues :(

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/04/5-children-father-found-d_n_183207.html

guh guys killing their entire family and then themselves is like a fucked up category all its own. and in everyone of these stories there's a neighbor or someone saying "eh, he seemed like a nice guy"

yep, bottling up all that depression and rage away from the neighbors is key to the formula

i am calm in the knowledge that every neighbour i've had thinks i'm a surly asshole

SAN DIEGO (AP) — An active shooter opened fire at a San Diego mosque Monday, and police believe people have been shot, authorities said.

Officer Anthony Carrasco said people reported multiple shots at the Islamic Center of San Diego, about 9 miles (14 km) north of downtown San Diego. It was unclear if the shooter was outside or inside, or had been captured yet. The San Diego Police Department posted that the scene is “still active but contained.”

Carrasco said he did not have more information at the moment.

The Islamic Center is the largest mosque in San Diego County, according to its website. The campus includes the Al Rashid School, which the website says offers courses in Arabic language, Islamic studies and the Quran.

Aerial TV footage showed more than a dozen children holding hands and being walked out of the parking lot of the center that is surrounded by scores of police vehicles. The white mosque is in a neighborhood of homes, apartments and strip malls with Middle Eastern restaurants and markets.

Looks like the security guard was fatally shot

oh man... 'teenage'

SAN DIEGO (AP) — A shooting at a San Diego mosque on Monday killed three men, and two teenage suspects are also dead, the police chief said.

They were exactly who you’d expect them to be.

It isn't "racial pride." The manifesto, which I'm reading right now, is a total slop-bucket of neo-Nazi accelerationism with misogynistic rants and multiple sections that are completely unfinished. It lionizes Brenton Tarrant, who murdered 51 people in a NZ mosque in 2019. https://t.co/Fq1nJRmLQO

— hannah gais (@hannahgais) May 19, 2026

no surprise there

The deceased security guard made a big difference apparently, it could've been a lot worse

yeah did a cursory read through the manifesto and it's the same thing we always get, including lionizing Brevik, Roof, Tarrant as "saints".

one of the gunmen was reported by his own mother, who told police he and her gun stash were both missing, and he was suicidal.

nothing like having an unsecured gun collection with a suicidal teen in the house ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Three in the space of 24 hours from the Philippines to Montreal to California.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjegy777xw5o

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/23/chico-library-shooting-northern-california

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/23/canada-montreal-shooting-gunman-three-killed-suspect-police-cote-des-neiges

Shooters aged 14, 15, 18 and 25. All look to fit the same profile of extremely online losers they usually do.

used to go to that library in Chico. unsurprising given the population around there, which ranges from hippies to absolutely insane Trumpers, but really a nice little town and library. terrible

crazy that the 18 year old shooter in Chico apparently was inspired by Columbine - which occurred years before his birth

The 14-year old in the Philippines, who looks about ten, was wearing a KMFDM t-shirt in tribute to one of the Columbine shooters, as was the 15-year-old girl who shot up her school in Wisconsin last year. It’s a subculture built around referencing past killers, with Dylan and Klebold as the original icons.

5 confirmed dead.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-at-least-5-killed-in-shooting-in-stade/a-77754951