Many good epic poems are still being composed every year.
― 'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 2 July 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link
I harp on this a lot because I feel like too many people overlook it or ignore it, as though art gets made in a vacuum regardless of financial support.
this is a good point, but i think it's only applicable to a small time frame? how many novelists of previous centuries wrote because they didn't have to work? there's a kind of bourdieu-ian social outbidding that was going on that's as important as economics as far "initial conditions" go for creating good literature--though neither are necessary/sufficient, perhaps.
― ryan, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:01 (nine years ago) link
I think a lot of novelists of previous centuries wrote because they didn't have to work, which would exactly be my point. An advance means you don't have to work. Not sure if that's what you meant or not.
― 'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:04 (nine years ago) link
I just sort of take the cliche that 'no novel can be judged in its own time' to be true, let's wait 20 more years until we read Emily Gould
― 龜, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:04 (nine years ago) link
lol, I am in no hurry to read Emily Gould's novel, I just enjoyed her description of what a $200,000 advance actually means to a normal, flawed, not particularly frugal but not absurdly excessive young person.
― 'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
that's what i meant, Hurting. i suppose you could designate an era of the "publishing industry" which made it possible to make a living by laboring as a writer of novels.
and yeah 龜 otm of course about historical perspective.
― ryan, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:08 (nine years ago) link
the amount of time it takes to write a novel kind of sets a novel back in a previous era once it comes out though, no?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
Takes like a few days, maybe a week at most ime
― 龜, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
my buddy has been working on a novel forever, and i just envision him now hastily revising it to account for america's new middling interest in soccer and what that exactly means.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 2 July 2014 20:18 (nine years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ZfjOWxE0--/1320199782204730216.jpg
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 2 July 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
http://review.gawker.com/25-unedited-excerpts-from-joshua-cohen-s-the-book-of-nu-1714663755
im coincidentally reading it rn, maybe 100 pages in -it's ok to good, too much and show-offy def, i feel like i skip like one of every 8th word and maybe im supposed to glaze thru it & its abt how we read ~online~ deep thots
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 2 July 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
this one 1 just read & is gold btw for "Words are garb." even tho he means it differently lol
Language itself is a burqa, an abaya—so many new words!...The garments that blacken even the tarmac, that blacken the lobby (irreligiously lavish). Words are garb. They’re cloaks. They conceal the body beneath. Lift up the hems of verbiage, peek below its frillies—what’s exposed? The hairy truth?
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 2 July 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link
the excerpts i read seemed fucked up but not that bad. didn't notice all the nerdcore punchlines about beating his dick like it's leukemia i guess and the parts about arab women??
― dylannn, Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:04 (eight years ago) link
Naming your lead character after yourself and making it a thinly veiled slightly more despicable version of yourself is so basic. Literary fiction hack move.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:05 (eight years ago) link
It's supposed to be edgy but just signifies being too lazy to name your characters.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
lol this thread
xxp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:40 (eight years ago) link