We need a thread for the FARGO TV show yah? Oh, yah!

xp "apropos of subtweeting" then: not direct slander just throw-your-hands-up-in-the-air back and forths of "are you fucking kidding me" and "you're acting like i'm burning shakespeare's folios"

i think it'll be the opposite BUT... the way that plays out will almost certainly have to do with whether the shows' S2 are any good or not

xp

the difficult second season

Yeah, it's going to be hard to judge, given this newfangled season-long anthology series model that shows are employing nowadays.

i do think this model is great in some ways, especially with self-contained story arcs that just get silly when they're stretched out (didn't they like break out of and then back into prison a whole bunch of times in prison break??) but starting from scratch could also go badly wrong i guess, esp if you're attached to characters/performers/etc

i still think the best way would be to keep the same cast but have them playing fresh new characters!

a la american horror story

what a great idea

Slock, its just ironic that the qualities you're praising Fargo for avoiding re TD are the same ones people regret Fargo added to its source material (brooding, borderline misogyny, etc). My "are you fucking kidding me" was in reaction to you claiming that the sympathetic male lead on Fargo, the instigator of the climax with the closest thing to a heroic arc on the show, was a "very small role".

I keep mentioning armond because bending over backward to maintain a binary with you on one end and critics on the other is armond white 101.

The guy literally does a "movie I liked > similar movie critics liked" every Christmas

They haven't really said a whole lot about their second season intentions, I don't think, so I'm mostly just speculatin' on a hypothesis here, but Fargo is kind of my ideal version of this model: maintain threads but shift perspectives. Not unlike some of the Wire seasons. You maintain audience investment but you're still able to shake things up pretty radically.

I'm hoping they set it some time pre-fargo the movie, as it could really use a new trapping, like mullets or something, to gussy up another "normal people saying oh jeez at a bloodbath" story

The Young Jerry Gunderson Adventures

and that boy...grew up...to be...Mike Yanagita

i don't have a lot of hope for TD s2 or Fargo s2, but at least with True D they can do basically anything with season 2 as long as it knocks people on their ass and looks gorgeous. Meanwhile Fargo season 2 is relatively stuck in setting/tone/archetypes/etc, because it's all in tribute to a specific movie rather than a genre

nah, Hawley has intimated they might set it somewhere else entirely. He doesn't sound overly keen on another season in general though

does "somewhere else entirely" mean, like, northern michigan? points to hawley if next season they show the word fargo, play the score, and then walk under palm trees for an hour, but i'm dubious

http://anythinghorror.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/thehauntinginconnecticut2-banner.png?w=640&h=392&crop=1

Season 2 will take place in the Fargo in Burkina Faso.

see... im over the fact that its a tribute to a (20 year old) movie. i dont really care, as long as they do something fun/interesting/surprising with it. which this show did in spades! i think BBT def had a lot to do with that.

billy was terrific before the show decided his response to everything would be "shoot it"

come on, the "i'm a rascal" dentist stuff was delightful

it was, only the show decided he'd throw away those months of effort by executing three people in a public elevator

that was great! such a funny punchline

particularly when he was like "well, 6 months of working this guy gone, but, hey, the look on his face when i pulled out the gun, right? classic."

it's just odd the mafia kept giving him work when he rarely successfully finished a job and was likely to kill large swaths of the mafia while bungling said job

still wish the show was basically an anti-heroic kung fu, with billy bob going from town to town on assignments, fucking up peoples' lives along the way. only i'd have him actually be good at his job rather than just lucky no one catches him during public executions

haha i did notice that practically nothing he did came to anything (profitable, at least)

swear to god when you wrote BBT my first thought was "the fuck does Big Bang Theory have to do with this?"

critics may lavish praise on true detective, while the big bang theory's generous populism goes unrewarded

I'm wondering if the comments about "1978" and what her dad saw back then were put in as the potential seed for season 2.

"well, molly...i hate to say this, but back in the mid-70s, your father was...well, I was...easy."

Fargo Season 2: Three Gals and a Little Sherriff, co-starring Geraldine Chaplin, Lily Tomlin & Christina Raines.

I'm wondering if the comments about "1978" and what her dad saw back then were put in as the potential seed for season 2.

― akm, Tuesday, July 1, 2014 3:39 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thats what im saying yo

Key and Peele would have immeasurably improved TD, just as a counter to some of McConnaughty's more po-faced monologues. Even though they are playing ridiculous characters it felt quite tragic when Malvo got them, almost like one of his worst atrocities for me.

i wish key & peele weren't in fargo, not just cuz they gave key those dumb "is this reality?" bits but because now i'm worried they won't do a sketch as the detectives enduring mateo's rants in TD

they were the rosencrantz and gildenstern of the show.

speaking of macho posturing i was pretty grossed out by the big thumbs up the show gave guns-on-the-front-porch-through-the-generations moment tbh

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:25 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like great, we got gramps working on 36 hours with no sleep and a loaded shotgun, definitely encourage that kind of thing yee fuckin haw

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:26 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...

I just figured that kind of shit is standard in the US.

― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:27 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah me too. Am I supposed to object to a show btw for doing things I personally object to? I'd never watch anything if that was the case.

i don't have a lot of hope for TD s2 or Fargo s2, but at least with True D they can do basically anything with season 2 as long as it knocks people on their ass and looks gorgeous. Meanwhile Fargo season 2 is relatively stuck in setting/tone/archetypes/etc, because it's all in tribute to a specific movie rather than a genre

― da croupier, Tuesday, July 1, 2014 12:27 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah fargo s2 is all raising arizona, and if it get picks up again they're doing hudsucker

oh god imagine a big lebowski show

About the adult version of the kid who left his homework in the Dude's car, of course.

Hawley has confirmed they're doing Sioux Falls '79 for S2

Came back to this after several weeks where I'd gone on holiday and become busy and forgotten to finish off the series. I think the break really put into perspective what a marvellously plotted shows this is.

Though that falls apart a bit in the finale.

always does with these things. i long for a show that has a satisfying ending. ** spoiler ** even breaking bad felt ever-so-slightly like a cop-out what with the spray gun thing

I'm hoping someone who's not seen the end reads that and thinks it somehow involves Walt and a supersoaker.

Thought the end of BB was absolutely as good as could've been hoped, but that's for another thread.

I liked the ending. It wasn't a big surprise or anything and I felt like there are unanswered questions, but it was satisfying enough for such a good season. I'm assuming that the next season will be about her father in the 1970's and the horrible thing he saw.

Pretty much been confirmed that it is.

It musta been mighty terrible!

Oh, you want new details on Fargo’s second season? You betcha, we got ‘em!

During TCA’s winter press tour, FX CEO John Langraf revealed that Ronald Reagan will figure into the second season of the network’s hit anthology series.

The new chapter travels back to 1979, where a young Lou Solverson (Patrick Wilson, played in the first season by Keith Carradine) returns from Vietnam and begins to investigate a local gang and a mob syndicate.

“It covers something that was referenced in the first installment by Lou Solverson, Molly Solverson’s [Allison Tolman] father,” Langraf said. “It’s a big sprawling, in some ways, more comedic season, though at times, a very serious show. It’s set in the late ’70s against the backdrop of Ronald Reagan’s first campaign for President of the United States. Reagan is a character in it.”

After the panel, Landgraf confided to EW that Fargo will actually be casting the role of Reagan, not using archival footage. “Reagan will be interacting with our characters,” he said, noting that the role has not yet been cast.

Joining Wilson in the second season: Ted Danson as Hank Larsson, Lou’s unflappable father-in-law; Nick Offerman as Karl Weathers, a local lawyer; Jean Smart as Floyd Gerhardt, the matriarch of the Gerhardt crime family; Jeffrey Donovan as her eldest son, Dodd Gerhardt; Angus Sampson as her inarticulate middle son, Bear Gerhardt; Kieran Culkin as her youngest son, Rye Gerhardt; and Kirsten Dunst as small town beautician Peggy Blomquist, and her husband Ed (Jesse Plemons), who attempts to be supportive of his wife’s self-discovery, even if he doesn’t quite understand it.

In that vein, Langrad noted that feminism will play a big role in the second season. “A lot of what it’s about is the cultural transformation that was going on at the time,” Landgraf said. “It’s about the sense that the war has come home. It’s also about feminism, so there are some really significant female characters. It’s a big, sprawling, incredibly ambitious series. Noah just channeled the Coen brothers and tells stories in a way that’s so fresh and so surprising.”

The second season of Fargo is slated to begin production on Monday, with the 10-episode anthology miniseries expected to premiere in the fall.

As long as they keep the humor, I'm in