2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Larry David: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-david/on-the-red-phone_b_90338.html

also contains this:

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http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/07/hillary-clinton-faces-horizontal.jpg

that gail collins column is maybe the worst thing i have ever read

^^^this

tracer wtf

I am amused that kingfish and everyone else appear to have traded places on this thread.

He bombed just about every country but Iraq.

I don't know who you are, mystery lurker, but you're simply wrong.

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

That's December 16, 1998.

the unflappable Obama? He, with the ice in his veins, who doesn't panic when he's losing or get too giddy when he's winning

will america elect its first black vulcan?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/bill-clinton-in-wyoming/

“These boots are special,” he said. “Larry King gave them to me after I had heart surgery.”

lol Bill, this is not how to appeal to the youth vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/06/obama-aide-hillary-is-a_n_90339.html

fully willing to believe this is a have your cake and eat it to tactic no the part of the obama team

"It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms," she said. "I apologize to Senator Clinton and to Senator Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics."

looool

stern hillary is stern

hey guys, remember 'wag the dog' and how it was a pretty obvious send up of bill clinton bombing iraq in the midst of the monica affair?

That movie was written, filmed, and released before (about three weeks before, but still) the monica affair blew up. Also, there were (vastly underreported) weekly bombing runs in Iraq during Clinton's entire presidency.

ha, deej, i think it's more a measure of a campaign advisor under pressure forgetting of the sanctioned message to vent. it's certainly an idiot thing to say during any campaign, but i don't think you can characterize it as calculated.

tracer wtf

-- deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 14:00 (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

deej you wanna throw a verb in there or something so i know what you're hornswoggled by this time?

"If Obama is the nominee, we are doomed, " Limbaugh said on Feb. 6 to a Republican caller to his radio program.

On Fox News, Limbaugh listed "another reason why we need Hillary to stay in:" the Clinton campaign can attack Obama in ways the Republicans cannot. "Who was it that first used Obama's middle name of Hussein? It was not us. It was [Clinton supporter] Bob Kerrey, over and over again, former Democrat Senator of Nebraska."

"Who was it that talked about Obama not just using drugs, as he admitted in his book, but maybe even selling them and dealing them? It was Shaheen, Clinton's co-chair in New Hampshire."

Limbaugh's assumption here is that Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

"We want the Clinton campaign to keep pumping out these pictures of Obama dressed up as Bin Laden," he said on Feb. 26. "If Hillary loses this thing, all of that's going to come to a screeching halt. We want all the disruption in that party as possible. . . . We need to keep chaos alive."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15&pid=294600

"flummoxed" > "hornswoggled". Good word though.

cheers?

morbs just because the nation regurgitates limbaugh as if he worth listening to doesn't mean you have to

down in the blood and the beer

deej you wanna throw a verb in there or something so i know what you're hornswoggled by this time?

-- Tracer Hand, Friday, March 7, 2008 8:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

the only double standard in this thread is how you treat me vs. yancey

'winky'

I think knowing what the Gargoyle sez is intriguing, TH, it doesn't mean they're Words of Wisdom

dude all that is is a list of tough questions asked of hillary and the presumption that when the media says that they ask the tough questions of the frontrunner, they mean the frontrunner at that particular minute and not the person who has been the campaign frontrunner for most of the election

its not like she started citing past presidential debates or anything

ha, deej, i think it's more a measure of a campaign advisor under pressure forgetting of the sanctioned message to vent. it's certainly an idiot thing to say during any campaign, but i don't think you can characterize it as calculated.

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, March 7, 2008 8:51 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

i dunno. it implants the image that people think hillary is creepy and yet the aid has to apologize to obama also, reinforcing the meme that the obama campaign is all about playing nice. at worst this does no damage to obama (unless of course some memo leaks implying this was intentional)

idea of firing samantha power over this is fucking ridic; it's not like she intimated that hillary was, i dunno, a drugged-dealing secret muslim or something.

hillary's stupid to make a big case out of this i think

idea of firing samantha power over this is fucking ridic; it's not like she intimated that hillary was, i dunno, a drugged-dealing secret muslim or something.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, March 7, 2008 10:37 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

the other thing is that obama would look weak if he fired her after hillary made a case out of it, there's no way he's gonna do that

another reason i suspect this was a set-up - it was a female advisor to obama that did this, if it had been a guy there would have been creepy misogynistic overtones

it was a half-decent attempt to save the campaign from embarrassment, but the clinton campaign is calling for the advisor's head right now, so it hasn't fully played out yet.

but fwiw, i'd caution people making 'candidate is a secret machiavellian mastermind' assumptions against clinton OR obama

another reason i suspect this was a set-up

dude, the puppet strings aren't there.

MSNBC says she's gone. fucking idiotic.

hey im just throwing a bone to the 'obama is just as manipulative!!!' crowd

lol captain save-a-brit here.

lol im rong

i don't think this was a cynical move by obama to put out a 'hillary is a monster story' rly, and the comment was completely attributable and looked like a fuck-up. meanwhile HRC has not categorically denied the drudge leak, so yeah she does look a bit dirtier.

yeah sorry tracer i tried, i just cant get up the energy to pretend obama is just as sleazy as hillz

I agree with hit it and quit it, this is pathetic - On Hillary's side and on Obama's side. Samantha Power is/was a pretty incredible surrogate - I saw her on Democracy Now! a couple of weeks ago - and an incredible asset to the campaign. And members of Hillary's campain have done far worse and haven't even been called on it, let alone fire. AND this was supposed to be off the record... between this and the Canada/NAFTA non-story leak, I'm thinkng there's something fishy going on here..

http://www.deletehillary.com/images/cookiemonsterhillary.jpg

deej i don't think either of them are "sleazy"!! you are incredibly good at missing the point.

good lord I hope if Hillary wins the presidency we don't get four years of playing the fucking victim

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left to right: clinton, power

i hope we all get jobs and a horse to ride on

It's ridiculous that Powers had to quit over this, on the other hand, you're an advisor to a campaign in 2008 when everyone is scrutinizing everything everyone says, watch what you fucking say, right? DUMB

She said "this is off the record" but it got published anyway: ?

"That's the one thing that terrifies me," Ms. Power says. "That I'll say something that will somehow hurt the candidate." She says that in public lectures and interviews, she sometimes fights the urge to make unkind statements about other candidates. "That's just not Obama's style," she says. "Left to my own devices, I'd articulate my frustrations in a much harsher way."

from last october, apparently. via ben smith

Archivists Block Release of Clinton Papers

She said "this is off the record" but it got published anyway: ?

well it's kinda hardball on the reporter's part but if you're talking to a source and they say some crazy shit and then go "wait wait it's off the record" after they said it ... and you don't care about pissing them off ... then it's probably fair game