We need a thread for the FARGO TV show yah? Oh, yah!

Well I used home in the loose sense, it was his hideout I guess.

still funny that he bothered to get a "hideout" when chasing lester back from vegas, considering his previous lodging when he was in town

could be some kinda company safehouse too

wouldn't he have stayed there the year before?

and neither time was he there on company business - he got into an accident leaving st paul the first time, was chasing lester the second. not really any "company" business in Bemidji

Maybe we were meant to infer it was some random's house he killed to hole up in.

i still wish airbnb was a possiblity

TBH the snowmobile chase at the end was comically pathetic. Maybe that was the point.

the snowmobile chase was up there with the It's Always Sunny guy death as one of the moments that made me feel deeply embarrassed for the Coens that their name is attached to this in any way at all

THIN ICE

eh, they've had worse

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feel like this show's bone-headed script was constantly being rescued by tremendous acting and cinematography

bit like True Detective

Agree that the ending wasn't the most satisfying, and the whole plot of the show probably crumbles to pieces if examined too closely but nonetheless I found it consistently thoroughly enjoyable. Fantastic performances, very atmospheric, very funny.

It feels more than a little shaggy doggish after the fact.

Oh, totally. This doesn't bother me, in fact I like shaggy dog stories.

Came away with a bizarre sense of "Gus isn't good enough for Molly" ... by which I mean ... he shot someone he didn't need to and (I could have got the timeline wrong here), had he acted earlier, he could have saved some lives.

Yeah he was a total idiot.

this show is amazing—just caught up on it

soooooo much better (funnier, more creative, etc) than the "other" one-season-storyline crime show that everyone slobbered over this year

i also think it's the first show i've seen that seems really obviously influenced by the i guess you would say formal qualities of breaking bad... like the mini-movie openings, usually set in some strange location and/or featuring characters you don't know

and the dentist thing was incredible.

can't say i was super wild about the oliver platt storyline or key & peele. but otherwise A+

I liked it fine, but I think I'd appreciate shows like this so much more if I knew going in that plot/story was at the end of the showrunners' list of priorities (or, less charitably, capabilities). Because it's a lovely showcase for all of the other elements.

"Fargo > True Detective" is some Armond White shit imo

so much better.

come on. you can all safely admit you were wrong about true detective (or at least quietly pretend you never thought it was that great à la every movie critic ever and american beauty / crash / etc) now.

this show actually featured a female character who was a real human being!

I'd agree with the Fargo > TD logic at the halfway point of Fargo but honestly think I preferred the koopa's castle climax over Malvo v Mailman.

I just don't think Fargo was that fun and creative in the end and I think TD did better by its actors.

If anything, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a lot of backpedaling on the plaudits for Fargo now that it's over. I'd argue that True Detective (while not any kind of apex of the medium) was better if only for McConaughey, generally, and his shootout in the projects specifically. That scene was all time.

that scene was so ridiculous and show-offy in retrospect

Again, though, as showcases for a lot of talented people who I hope get a bunch of awesome work in the future, they're both top notch.

As far as ridiculous showoffy shoot outs go, greatly preferred tds to fargos panning around walls over corny foley art

y'know, while fargo was nice enough not to introduce its female characters T&A first, I dunno if I'd say Michelle Monaghan was playing a "real human being" any less than Tolman. and all the other women on fargo were wives-who-got-in-the-way, so i wouldn't pat it too hard on the back.

both shows were overambitionus and were disappointingly macho, but TD didn't vacillate between glibness (that fargo shootout) and dread (the fincher-esque dispatching of the alwayssunny guy) in a failed attempt to imitate the sensibility of the movie it was named after.

also, slock, if you don't wanna be compared to armond, i wouldn't respond to the comparison by describing the failings of straw-critics

were disappointingly macho

I dunno, Fargo mocked/critiqued macho posturing a lot more than TD did.

i'd definitely agree td was more macho, but then it didn't directly compare itself to the movie fargo

i barely remember the movie fargo so *shrug emoticon*

and michelle monaghan was playing, basically, both fairly exhausted "angry wife" AND "sex object" (for BOTH characters!) cliches

i think it's a bit dismissive to say she was playing a "sex object," butt-first introduction aside. it was a familiar archetypal relationship, but i don't think it was any less formed than Marge Rising.

you should see the movie fargo again, you'd love it

The movie Fargo is better than either of these series by a mile.

otm

and pretty much any movie involving a love triangle could be described as having a "sex object" (for BOTH characters!) in it.

are you really trying to tell me that the portrayal of women in TD was progressive

no and you know that

the marge story is about a woman, unfairly mansplained to and marginalized, who proves herself and accomplishes something. if you want to dismiss that as "marge rising" that's on you

how the hell do you get from "disappointingly macho" to progressive

slock, you keep moving the goalposts. i said i thought monaghan's character was as nuanced as tolman's (you said she didn't play a "real human being"), which isn't the same thing as arguing her arc was a feminist triumph

the men in fargo are weak, stupid, corrupt, fearful and/or greedy. even the love interest! i would say that's a hell of a lot more interesting and progressive than TD's brooding guys and sexy ladies/victims.

uh pretty much every man in td was portrayed as that except for mateo. and every woman in fargo except for tolman.

she is a much more nuanced and interesting character than m-mon's angry wife cheated on by her very serious detective husband

most of the men in TD are brooding serious interrogators of the universe and its moral complexity, or cartoonishly monstrous predators

btw, this argument aside, i wonder what all that past stuff that her dad refers to is all about, and whether we'll see it play out in the coming seasons (the sioux falls/sitting on the front porch stuff). at first i thought it was a reference to the movie but i guess not

again, i'm not saying anything GOOD about TD re feminism, representation, etc. Just that you're overstating Fargo's accomplishments.

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/06/23/140623crte_television_nussbaum?currentPage=all

On almost every front, the creators have removed potential sources of ambiguity or pathos: the Nygaards have no child, and nearly all the victims of the two men’s cons are contemptible figures, often in sexualized ways. Lester’s bully’s widow is a money-grubbing slattern (played with admittedly hilarious gusto by Kate Walsh, who grabs the role with greasy palms); his sister-in-law is a bimbo who complains, “You don’t cheat on Miss Hubbard County”; and Malvo’s Barbie-like fiancée offers him her thumb up his butt as kinky payment for her diamond ring.

I don't think you watched a True Detective, s1ocks.