"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

the system works!

Apparently, it will be easier to die in a blaze of courthouse glory when Georgia's new concealed carry law kicks in. Meanwhile, US State Dept. advices those who want to renounce citizenship:http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/renunciation-of-citizenship-right-of-residence.html

Of course, that's the legal not the Lawful way (to Hell).

Oh, and as recounted in the original biography of John Nash, A Beautiful Mind (the book is so much richer and more worthwhile than the movie---no Imaginary Friends and Enemies, for a start), he's inspired by a guy who sought to renounce Cold War American citizenship and become the first Citizen of the World. So Nash, schizzed-out, goes to Europe, attempting to follow in the footsteps of his hero (who deserves his own book; blanking on the guy's name, else I'd look him up right now).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Davis

this guy?

suggest me a site i can draw a graphic online and post it and i'll show you- nothing coming up on google

― 30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:29 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://sketchtoy.com/

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i feel like the "freeman" folk are like poststructuralists who don't really dare to accept the logic of their own worldview

stop trying to assign smart words to such bafflingly dumb people

also don't use sovereign citizens as just another pretext to shit on your academic bugbears

pretext i barely even discourse

i have no idea what you mean! i meant no slam on poststructuralists, who i have learned a lot from. do either of you have any idea what my academic background or interests are to be so confident in knowing my "academic bugbears"?

in short, i think you're reading way too much into it.

i'm just saying, the freemen seem to be motivated in part by some sudden revelation that there is no absolute foundation to government. which is an interesting and useful revelation to have. their reaction is to assert its illegitimacy, rather than a general recognition that governments and other entities acquire and maintain credibility and authority (and thus consent to use force, etc.) in complex and shifting ways.

xpost

also i don't think the smart/dumb binary is very useful here.

its a useful bedrock to keep in mind ime

yeah, but i think the relevant point is that these people are deluded, not necessarily that they are dumb (even if some/many of them are, by whatever measure).

choosing to be dumb, at whatever remove from yr 'intelligence', becomes yr de facto level of dumbness

obliged hl
http://sketchtoy.com/61736401

is it the World Cup?

and in a way, I suppose, it is /blair

haunting, dm.

that is a cool site tho

stop trying to assign smart words to such bafflingly dumb people

words to live by, in any context.

sudden revelation that there is no absolute foundation to government

These aren't those people. They still believe in an absolute foundation for government, society, law etc. - they just think that it's hidden, not the one that everyone agrees on. They still quote, with absolute certainty, their interpretations of pieces of law, the constitution or whatever. They're not postmodernists: they're just conspiracy theorists, convinced they alone know the truth.

I interviewed Garry Davis for like four hours once, he seemed kinda cheesed that his movement never really took off

cool! the interview i mean, i find the world citizen thing pretty inspiring

Watch yer step if you go stateless though (re that State Dept. link).

http://www.legalcheek.com/2014/09/judge-sacked-after-he-orders-defendant-to-be-electrocuted/

Good response to these dudes imo

If any more evidence were required of his mercurial nature, then there is this historical tit-bit:

That's English. ('stun-chuff' is perhaps more worthy of a raised eyebrow)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-official-wants-judge-removed-for-ordering-man-be-shocked-with-stun-cuff/2014/09/09/6397b7aa-385c-11e4-8601-97ba88884ffd_story.html

http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/indigenous-affairs/2014/09/06/freemen-movement-targets-indigenous-australia/1409925600

That's English.

Ah ha, thanks. I genuinely have never seen or heard that before. I've always known it to be "tid-bit".

In American English, it's 'tidbit', whereas British English uses the original 'titbit'. Works in the same innuendo-expunging way that 'cocks' become 'roosters'.

Feel like indigenous Australians have some strong justification for arguing in this vein. Much more so than insolvent libertarian creeps.

And while Freemen, western libertarian branch anyway, are all total lamers, the judge ordering an electric shock in court is like o_0 almost as much as Ferguson, so fuck that fucking judge.

http://chrisspivey.org/common-law/

have we ever discussed how the hermeneutic/legal anarchism of these guys is authentic in the sense that it recognizes the ultimately biased construction of reality by powerful actors manipulating discourses of language + law? it simply refuses to participate in its own powerlessness and framed differently (politically instead of legalistically?) might be viewed as a more radical movement.

it'd be more radical if it weren't being employed to reactionary ends by the desperate and craven, for the enrichment of heartless scammers

on the radical side you're looking for the hardcore jury nullification types probably

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkZrzEHKBqI

We're going to cover word spells. How post-Mesopotamian language has had us under the Ol' Abra-Cadaver trick.... the oldest control trick.. "Thou hast fallen for the eldest trick in the scroll! xD

how do i even begin? is it by telling you about how we've unwittingly been CAST into the MOLD of ancient SPELLS of our modern SPELLING? CAST just like a MOLD, or perhaps like a NET? while caught, like fish, in the net of spells and spelling that have been cast, thus SENTENCING us to LIFE SENTENCES and the CURSES of CURSIVE which are just TERMS, just like serving a PRISON TERM.

So we've been SENTENCED to the WARDS of these WORDS which can be deadly as SWORDS if misunderstood or perhaps you missed the understanding of my TERMS or the SYBILS of my SYLLABLES, or even the ancient RITES of writing??

We Languish in our languid Language, in anguish ever since the ancient times of the Anglish angus and the PhonY Phonetic Phonics of the ancient Phoenician Pheonix. You think English is easy?

Sometimes I think English should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell?

How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.

English was created from the ancient Phonic Phonetics of the Phony Phoenician Phoenixes, and it reflects the creativity and cunning genius of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all, unless youre just another rat, caught in the daily maze of the rat race of this human race against one another.

We draw money from our banks which are the edges of a river, which FLOWS in CURRENTS to the SEA, which is why its called CURRENCY, because our CASH FLOWS like pyroclastic ASH FLOWS toward the SEA, which is why we can trace back the ROOTS of all modern TRADE to the ancient Phoenician TRADE ROUTES,

and why our mundane weekdays seem to keep us in a perpetually WEAK DAZE, until we are so WEAKENED, that we barely make it to the WEEKEND. so each day, we routinely AWAKE in the MORNING, or is the Monday morning ritual conversely conversing a MOURNING at A WAKE for the dead?

And thus, the Bible speaks that the dead shall walk the earth, so it appears that they already are, without even knowing it, just by the strange language of which they know not the TRUE origins and what their words mean in etymology.
And the SIGNIFICANCE of the SIGNS and sins in SIGNIFICATION of their SIGNATURES on dead legal fictions like IDs and bills.

because our citizenship begins when we board the citizen SHIP, which sails the high seas carrying SEAMEN and it all begins when the male SHIP docks in its female SLOT or SLIP, also known as its BERTH, and unloads its CARGO or SEMEN, which sail up the WATERS of the CANAL.

So she gets pregnant and now carries the precious CARGO and will now give BIRTH to the new citizen that must now register to board the citizen SHIP and repeat the cycle all over again, until the citizens catch on to the ancient spells of the PHONY PHONETIC PHOENICIANS' tools of commerce and piracy of the high seas and the human commodity through the use of their made up languid language, which gives us our modern english.

So that's what the new Dr. Bronner labels are like.

reminds me of someone but I just can't....

Apparently the organizer of a yoga festival that a bunch of friend's bands participate in has turned out to be homophobic, transphobic, antisemitic, and a sovereign citizen. Oh, and a Sandy Hook-truther to boot.

https://www.facebook.com/evolvefestival?fref=nf

http://www.acalltoactions.com/#!Transhumanism-Agenda-Exposed-David-Andrew-Bryson-/c7j3/578BDFB6-F5E0-4A8A-9A30-1CD2240EDBFB

woah. the crazy made my screen throb.

If you go back a few years in their timeline, it was already crazy, but mostly just corny hippie meme Alex Grey picture/inspirational quote crazy.

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Generally have little patience for these types, but this one is pretty quotable:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/262808205/Notice-to-Fuck-This-Court-and-Everything-That-It-Stands-For

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