Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

"A perfect and toxic fit," that is.

Oh, and those last two episodes also felt like a variation on the women-be-crazy-and-I-be-crazy vibe of most Maron episodes.

has anyone written anything good on how the pamela arc reads very differently if you think about aldon as a writer on it, and accept that they're trying to draw pamela as a complex character and not just like a "loathesome" person or something. like two people who are very bad with emotions in different ways bouncing off one another and not just louie as the only character with agency here? she's more completely drawn as a character than anyone else that's passed thru the show, pretty clearly i think.

i for one have no idea why people find pamela so horrible! i wkiw.

pamela is someone who busts chops i appreciate chopsbusters

Pamela's awesome.

What was kind of weird about those episodes is the music he chose. It was almost like a parody of a normal sitcom's music at times.

re. pamela, i dunno her whole heavy-sarcasm routine feels very adolescent to me. seems like only a very damaged or very stupid adult would act that way.

i feel like maybe you don't understand the ethos of busting chops i have a pamphlet u may be interested in its called YOU'RE A CHUMP hold on lemme get it

that seems to be her only mode though

buddy you dont know her life!!!

hanging around a self-serious sadsack like louie it'd be hard not to take the piss all the time.

re. pamela, i dunno her whole heavy-sarcasm routine feels very adolescent to me. seems like only a very damaged or very stupid adult would act that way.

― I dunno. (amateurist), Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:57 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

Yeah I hate people like this, can't stand to be around them *spends the next 10 hours reading ILX*

Amateurist otm. Thinking emotions are "gross" or whatever when you're a 40+ adult is a sign of intense narcissism, retarded growth, or sociopathy imo. And she is really cruel to louie in a childish way.

Who wrote the character is beside the point. She is more of afully realized character thats true, but that character is an asshole.

is pamela the single-mother that louie meets at a pta meeting in season one, who comes over for a playdate for their kids under the express understanding that she isn't interested in a sexual-relationship with louie (or anyone)?

Only seen a few eps so far. He's developing a thread re the Power of Rant, from "fat chicks!" to Jane explaining to Louie's "Yes I'm totally fucking this up and it's all my fault and you made me do this" (effectively suggesting husbands who accuse the battered wife of getting them so upset they have to fuck up/batter once again). And it works: he holds her hand, Jane stuns Dad to silence, rather than another Dad outburst/lecture (Jane/Louie=chicken/egg? Think they're influencing each other, anyway) Louie's wife, so sure at first, is reduced to "So, uh, whattaya wanna do?" Girl who no speak da English is an escape from this escalation (so far; this is as far as I've gotten).

Amateurist otm. Thinking emotions are "gross" or whatever when you're a 40+ adult is a sign of intense narcissism, retarded growth, or sociopathy imo. And she is really cruel to louie in a childish way.

― Οὖτις, Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:10 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can we stop misusing these words.

otm

I haven't seen all of the Pamela episodes yet but it seems to me that Pamela set her boundaries w/ Louie pretty early on and he deliberately mishears it to leave himself an "in" where there is none. Other than the one time where she mentioned 'do you wanna take a bath?' and retracted it later, she keeps saying "no" and he keeps saying "maybe".

especially that one ep - "wave to me!". 'WAIT FOR YOU?'

Amateurist otm. Thinking emotions are "gross" or whatever when you're a 40+ adult is a sign of intense narcissism, retarded growth, or sociopathy imo. And she is really cruel to louie in a childish way.

― Οὖτις, Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:10 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can we stop misusing these words.

― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Sunday, June 22, 2014 10:35 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was gonna say

Did this get linked? http://grantland.com/features/louie-louis-ck-fx-internet-controversy/

Glad we cleared that up

Shakey does your new name mean "RONG" in some ancient language or something?

bcuz some on this thread are reminding me of the girls thread where peeps were all like "these people are horrible and flawed and i don't like them and i'm not like them and my friends aren't like them and so on and so on" and really that's not the point.

V interested in other opinions about what the point of the show is. So far no one's offered any.

I'm cool w shows w unattractive/unlikable characters but yeah I grew tired of Girls too

social commentary on the ethics of ivory hunting

V interested in other opinions about what the point of the show is. So far no one's offered any.

― Οὖτις, Sunday, June 22, 2014 7:46 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its a show it doesn't have a point. you watch it and then you get old and die congratulations.

*synth slap bass theme*

Lol

I liked the Andy Greenwald piece Gukbe linked.

V interested in other opinions about what the point of the show is. So far no one's offered any.

yeah, well, not really interested in explaining a "point" to the show, as that seems a really wrong way of approaching it.

I noticed in the second Pamela episode that, after they'd been to Central Park, Louie tried to shut her in the house as he was leaving yet again, which makes that the third time in the course of one season (one with Amia). Obviously intentional, but I'm not sure what we're meant to make of Pamela and the show moving past the sexual assault so quickly.

what makes those episodes extra creepy is how this was already widely believed to be about Louis: http://gawker.com/5894527/which-beloved-comedian-likes-to-force-female-comics-to-watch-him-jerk-off

welp

i'm not sure how much stock we should be putting into that article

well sure it's a blind item ffs. i'm just saying i remember reading it at the time, and i certainly thought about it again after watching those episodes.

yeah, well, not really interested in explaining a "point" to the show, as that seems a really wrong way of approaching it.

you can't complain that people are missing the point and then simultaneously claim there isn't a point wtf

you can't complain that people are missing the point and then simultaneously claim there isn't a point wtf

― Οὖτις, Monday, June 23, 2014 11:33 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is america

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You were railing at the show because you think pamela is a horrible character, and that you think she's a sociopath, and I'm just saying, dramas and yes even sitcoms can have flawed characters at the heart. and i think pamela's character is rude, damaged and flawed, but she's also hilarious, and vulnerable in moments, and complex, and that's one of the reasons why I enjoy Louie - the characters are complex and contradictory at times, and often seem real, and I don't have to want to be buds with them IRL to find the show compelling, and I think the show handles and makes Pamela seem real and rounded, even if you find her irritating or troubling. It's fine to me that the characters in this show, even the lead, might be unlikeable. If I had an issue with that I'd watch Friends (which I also love).

But I'm not really interested in answering "what's the point of this show?" It seems a reductive and uninteresting question. What's the point of any TV show??

As for the first proper Pamela episode this season, I'm still not sure how I feel about the sexual assault. Its difficult, and it's troubling, and it's oblique within the context of the show. But again, I like that Louis is able to take risks with Louie. It doesn't make Louie better than, say, Friends, but it distinguishes it from Friends, and is evidence that it's trying to do something else. As for whether it succeeds, or if that Something Else is worth attempting, YMMV.

I thought I had made this clear but I guess not. I think Pamela's a horrible person, but that's different from being a horrible character. Watching Louie pursue her was like watching a trainwreck - insofar as I have some residual desire for things to work out for him as a character the whole time I was just thinking aaaagh no Louie DON'T DO THIS. This is not a criticism of the show, it's just my reaction to what is going on with the characters.

xp

Welcome to life.

it wasn't clear, so thanks for making it clear!

i don't understand why people think pamela is a horrible person. what horrible thing does she do -- make the kids laugh?

yes, what a monster

uh let's see, she's manipulative, abusive, insulting, capricious, sold all of his furniture without him knowing about it (lol good one!), referred to his ex-wife's "juicy black pussy", etc etc

i don't think she's horrible. she's got rough edges and a marmite sense of humour, but i can see how she could get under Louie's skin.

re: juicy black pussy, I'd certainly never say it, but is it any worse than things louis has said on stage, or that his buddies have said at their post-show falafel chow-downs?