Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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I agree drugs are for idiots and also about j-dogg; perhaps a... poll is in order?

cozwn, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:01 (seventeen years ago)

who do we have

kwame
eshun
greer
morley
john harris
the tory guy
myerson

??

cozwn, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:02 (seventeen years ago)

j-myer is one of the worst newsnight review people of all time. in a hotly contested field of shite

Amen to that. She's a contmeptible airhead. Don't agree about drugs being for idiots.

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:02 (seventeen years ago)

I read a newspaper article about all this and I can say flat-out that her decision to write about what she did is truly, truly repulsive. Typical sheltered North London entitlement-seeker?

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:04 (seventeen years ago)

the tory guy

michael gove. yeah, maybe he is worse.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:06 (seventeen years ago)

(xp) There's hundreds of the buggers

Tom Paulin occasionally? Slowly turning into a giant CREASE?
Asian guy with big hair.
Michael Gove *vomit*
Jolly Northern poet bloke.
Horsey looking American blonde.
Small Asian woman with short hair who I saw in Archway a few weeks back.
That Lionel woman, novelist who wears gloves indoors.

etc etc

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:06 (seventeen years ago)

Does Paulin do Newsnight Review anymore? Haven't watched it for yeeeears.

x-post

Dom Cry For Me, Passantino (NickB), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:06 (seventeen years ago)

i will never, ever understand people who air their dirty laundry in public, or even just opening up their private lives to the world at all

lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:07 (seventeen years ago)

I'm glad someone mentioned this because I wanted to scream and throw things at the television. She railed that none of her critics had read the book; Paxman said he had. She knows damn well that most reviewers will have had it for a month or so so frankly, does not wash. Contemptible woman.

My family have given me permission to write about every single last bit of weird shit that has ever happened to us but if any of them objected at draft stage I'd have to reconsider my structure.

We Need To Talk About Kevin Smith (suzy), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:07 (seventeen years ago)

Well, there are levels. Writing a book explicitly describing your own son as a drug-addict psychopath and then courting all the publicity you can about it seems like quite a dicey way to go about winning friends/influencing people. xp

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:09 (seventeen years ago)

Good way to sell books though

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:09 (seventeen years ago)

and more to the point, um, he isnt?

Mark G, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:10 (seventeen years ago)

"Harry Potter and the fucking enormous bong I found in his bedroom"

Mark G, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:11 (seventeen years ago)

Maybe she's setting him up in life by giving him the opportunity to write a bestselling rejoinder

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:11 (seventeen years ago)

I wonder what Max Gogarty thinks of it all

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:12 (seventeen years ago)

no i was talking more generally...this is particularly distasteful but i just don't understand that urge to let everyone know about your business. i'd be mortified at the idea of parading even the best stuff in my private life in the national newspapers. i'm not objecting, i read that shit as much as anyone, but i just could never do it. this probably makes me a victorian or something and means i'll never be a celebrity.

xps

lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:12 (seventeen years ago)

My current stance is that if there's a story worth telling, that doesn't misrepresent, distort or compromise anyone, then it should be told, but stories worth telling are rarely of the sort where someone spills their subjective personal shit to a journalist for cash. These normally turn out to be the kind of uninteresting, harmful stories whose only use is to demonstrate the power and maleovolence of mass media and all who sail in/whore themselves to her. Just blog it ffs.

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:16 (seventeen years ago)

Jeez, that J Myerson article is some mealy-mouthed weepy-eyed bs, as well as being way tl;dr. In the same way that he sez his son is basically a FUCKING GENIUS he has to have TERRIBLE TERRIBLE problems that are hardly out of the ordinary.

Newsnight Review is a pretty astonishing programme. Why would I want those most of those peoples opinions on anything? They aren't even funny.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:18 (seventeen years ago)

Also, fuck pussys who can't take their weed.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:18 (seventeen years ago)

(Yes, I would like to work for mass media, but you know what I mean.) ;-)

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:19 (seventeen years ago)

I'm glad Suzy saw it too. JM seemed so pointless; just go away, woman! be quiet!

dire how she kept saying HE'S MY BOY
awful !!!

he's probably a tosser too, the Boy

the Max Gogarty line above is so funny !!

the really odd thing about the Review people is how many of them I have met.

Morley
Harris
Myerson
Churchwell

oh, OK, that's only 4. it feels like more.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:32 (seventeen years ago)

I'm glad Suzy saw it too. JM seemed so pointless; just go away, woman! be quiet!

dire how she kept saying HE'S MY BOY
awful !!!

he's probably a tosser too, the Boy

the Max Gogarty line above is so funny !!

the really odd thing about the Review people is how many of them I have met.

Morley
Harris
Myerson
Churchwell

oh, OK, that's only 4. it feels like more.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:32 (seventeen years ago)

I'm glad Suzy saw it too. JM seemed so pointless; just go away, woman! be quiet!

dire how she kept saying HE'S MY BOY
awful !!!

he's probably a tosser too, the Boy

the Max Gogarty line above is so funny !!

the really odd thing about the Review people is how many of them I have met.

Morley
Harris
Myerson
Churchwell

oh, OK, that's only 4. it feels like more.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:32 (seventeen years ago)

wow I didn't know it was possible, now, to post that many times

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:32 (seventeen years ago)

maybe Kermode could be worst of all tho?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:33 (seventeen years ago)

There's something really horrible about having this breezy, artful magazine style of writing applied to the writer's own anguish.

I have deliberately tried to strike my son, to punch him until he hurts. Who have I become? What happens to make anyone do that? And yet, later that day, we find him sitting in the park outside, strumming a guitar with his sister.

I apologise (as though I could ever say enough). He smiles and says it is OK (and that's why I love him).

Wait, you love him because he allows you not to feel like an asshole on the same day you hit him?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:46 (seventeen years ago)

Sitting in the park with his guitar - is there no end to his depravity?

Say what you like Professor Words (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:48 (seventeen years ago)

You saw what happened to Doherty.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:49 (seventeen years ago)

He mistreated a cat too.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:49 (seventeen years ago)

Skim read the article; sounds like the whole family are bunch of narcissistic cunts, up to and including the cat.

chap, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:50 (seventeen years ago)

He mistreated a cat too.

Next stop, Ian Brady

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:51 (seventeen years ago)

I just mentioned this to my own mother and she's pretty LOL WTF about the whole thing too, says that on Newsnight JM kept on absolving herself by claiming to have never once mentioned him by name. And now she's handed me yesterday's Times where Libby Purves has proffered a hearty response.

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:51 (seventeen years ago)

I love how this kid's increasing rebelliousness and perversity is entirely blamed on weed.

No, she told us, the cannabis isn't a symptom, it's the cause. That's when we put it together.

"That's when we finally had something outside ourselves to blame all this poor communication on."

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:53 (seventeen years ago)

"The problem, I suspect, was that Julie Myerson is a compulsive writer and that once lovely phrases begin forming in her head her self-control evaporates. Perhaps it is her equivalent of a really good spliff."

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:56 (seventeen years ago)

To be fair I do know of people for whom skunk has caused enormous problems. I also know people who smoke it pretty much every day and lead perfectly normal lives.

chap, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:56 (seventeen years ago)

"The problem, I suspect, was that Julie Myerson is a compulsive writer"

Can we do something to help her to overcome this embarassing compulsion?

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:59 (seventeen years ago)

buy enough of her books that she never needs to write again

they probably drink corporate water (country matters), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:00 (seventeen years ago)

I also know people who smoke it pretty much every day and lead perfectly normal lives.

If frightening hapless codgers and mugging 10 year olds for their mobiles phones is normal, yes

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:01 (seventeen years ago)

I thought it was 10 year olds who mugged people

but I agree with you, I hate muggers.

I don't like Julie M either and it sounds like her narcissism and carelessness have finally landed her like a beached shark.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:09 (seventeen years ago)

"i actually know someone who likes the smell of skunk."
http://marykcarman.blogspot.com/2008/04/hop-on-mexican-train.html

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:10 (seventeen years ago)

can someone else post nice pictures of skunks? Pictures don't always work for me.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:11 (seventeen years ago)

I don't like Julie M either and it sounds like her narcissism and carelessness have finally landed her like a beached shark.

A bleached shark, judging by her hair colour in that old photo

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:11 (seventeen years ago)

the generalising abt drugs on this thread - abt their effects, the stupidity or o/wise of ppl who take them, their availability in se london etc - seems as bad as a bad guardian writer (eg toynbee)

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:12 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.heroicfineart.com/catalog/images/ClassicPepe%5B1%5D

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 13:13 (seventeen years ago)

from her introduction to the book, explaining to her son why she wrote it: "Don't worry, it's not so much about you - or at least it is - but it's more about me really." lol self-awareness.

joe, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 14:28 (seventeen years ago)

More interesting if it had been about the cat

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 14:30 (seventeen years ago)

... or is that the sequel?

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 14:30 (seventeen years ago)

The cat gets a paint stripe down back. Pepe le Pew falls in love w/it.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 14:33 (seventeen years ago)

Myerson family's ongoing struggle with skunk etc

Free the Northampton 1 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 14:35 (seventeen years ago)

as a side point.. is kicking your druggy kid onto the street to fend for himself really supposed to be the thing to do and the way to stop him falling into further drugs/crimes/south londonness??

\∫Öζ/.... argh oh noes! (ken c), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 15:52 (seventeen years ago)


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