Last (x) movies you saw

No, they had to cut the ChristRape scene from the disc Hell on Earth as well. However the original cut of that doc has been on youtube (in 6 parts) for several years. There is also an easily findable American bootleg of a fan reconstruction of the "director's cut" with most of the excised footage present and accounted for, alongside several extras including the uncut Hell on Earth.

But back to the Rape of Christ--imho opinion, after such a buildup it's kind of silly. One of my friends is a major Russell aficionado, and he told me that Russell once claimed it was merely a "gimme sequence", never intended for public consumption, but placed in the submission cut of the film so censors would demand its removal instead of other more important sequences.

I should add that the link to the doc is VERY NSFW.

Spring (1971, Hanoun) 7/10
Tom at the Farm (2013, Dolan) 5/10
A Woman of Rumor (1954, Mizoguchi) 7/10
Tales of the Taira Clan (1955, Mizoguchi) 6/10
Women of the Night (1948, 7/10)
The Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress (1944, Wyler) 8/10
(The Battle of) San Pietro (1945, Huston) 8/10

Re:Devils. That is all really weird. Maybe somebody powerful is holding a serious grudge. I heard an old vhs version has some of the censored scenes but I don't know if it's true.
I think I'll watch the documentary later. I think silliness is one of the directors greatest strengths. I'm looking forward to seeing what could be sillier than using a crocodile in a sword fight.

I've seen Dance Of Seven Veils on YouTube but that is not being allowed official release either. It's pretty good though. Isn't Salome's Last Dance in some sort of legal limbo too?

Is there any other big directors who are this censored today?

is is it really so very weird that a big company like warner bros is reluctant to distribute something known as 'the rape of christ sequence'?

the only legit uk vhs edition of the devils was the more heavily cut american version; the bfi dvd is the slightly more complete uk 'x' certificate version. neither of course has the rape of christ sequence.

they have nothing to gain by it. The Devils is not a drop in their grand conglomerate ocean.

I guess I don't follow closely which films the main studios put out but I've whenever I hear about a major film which is shocking people, I (maybe wrongly) assume a major studio put it out. I guess I should start paying more attention to what studios put out any shocking New film.

The only uncut version of Crimes Of Passion is the Swedish DVD called China Blue, which I bought a few years ago. I think the bit where the main character rapes a cop with his own baton still upsets censors.

I saw CoP in a theater in '85 (it didn't last long) and yeah I remember reading about that missing scene.

I watched the documentary. None of the scenes were sillier than the crocodile thing.
That guy with the long blonde hair and glasses always reminds me of Simon Amstell, that made me think that character was even funnier than he would have been.

A Kitten For Hitler was supposed to be Russell's argument to justify censorship in extreme cases but I couldn't find what was supposed to be offensive about it. A dwarf plays a young boy but somehow I don't think that was supposed to be the offensive part.

Lars and the Real Girl (6.5)
The Grand Budapest Hotel (ordeal)
American Gigolo (6.5)
The Ten Commandments (8.0)
Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (7.0)
The Word Is Out (7.5)
Children of Men (6.5)
Garden State (6.5)
Entrapment (6.0)
Angel Eyes (6.0)

Completely detached from Children of Men (first time). Sorry. The first and the last three all had their moments. Sorry again.

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Water Wrackets (Greenaway)- Greenaway shot a Tolkien-inspired fantasy film! Kind of! What a weird little exercise.

*Tenebre (Argento)- Wow. This is where a thorough chronological rewatch of Argento (more or less; my Suspiria and Opera DVDs are unreachable, and for a while I thought I'd lost my Tenebre disc and skipped to Phenomena instead) pays off. I enjoyed this the first time I saw it, but that was during a period of watching his films in more or less random order based on what was in print in the US and easily obtained cheap; seeing it again while better-acquainted with Argento's career and Bava's gialli makes it a much richer experience. I won't go too far into it to avoid spoilers, but it was interesting to note the move from a young, artistically involved protagonist (The Bird with the Crystal Plumage, Four Flies on Grey Velvet, Deep Red; Cat o' Nine Tails is something of an outlier, with those two traits split into two characters) to an older one, the relationship between a book critic and a writer (mirroring Argento's own change of career), and what I'm really fascinated by, the avoidance and, I think, deliberate invocation of the the-killer-is-a-woman twist, which has been a feature of the genre since the very beginning and which Argento has indulged in more than a few times. And maybe I'm reading too much into the participation of Eva Robin's, but this is definitely post-Dressed to Kill, and viewing it with that in mind has me thinking of it in terms of the odious and even more shopworn "crazy killer trans person" trope. There's more straightforward fun too, of course; I have to mention the famous over-the-house crane shot (complete with a gag where Goblin's career-best main title theme suddenly becomes diegetic music) and some unintentionally (?) camp dialogue ("She didn't know that you, ____, are COMPLETELY MAD!").

Oh! And another Bird With Crystal Plumage connection that I forgot to mention- I'm pretty sure the opening scene at JFK is meant to evoke the art-gallery opening of Bird, and the killer is ultimately dispatched in the same way (and with the same kind of object) the hero of Bird narrowly avoids being killed during that film's conclusion.

Tenebre was recently my first, and thus far only, Argento, and yeah, it rocks.

Who is Eva Robins, though, and how does it relate to Dressed to Kill (as enjoyable a film as Tenebre if I can separate myself from the transphobia, which I can tolerate on the grounds that De Palma's work involves a wholesale rejection of "good taste" to begin with).

Eva Robin's (her preferred spelling/punctuation, apparently) is an out trans actress who plays the part of the mysterious girl in the killer's flashbacks, which are utterly loaded with (the popular conception of) gender confusion and ambiguity, and the ludicrously fetish-y choking with a red stiletto heel. The more I think about it, the more I think this may have been a response to Dressed to Kill, with the use of a straight razor (which the detective remarks is an unusual and distinctive weapon quite early on)- maybe spurred by De Palma arguably ripping off Bird's elevator/straight razor murder scene in his film?

Interesting! Thanks!

Obviously need to see The Bird with the Crystal Plumage now.

I think you'll really enjoy it! It's ostensibly an adaptation of a mystery novel (The Screaming Mimi), but it's largely Argento's riff on Blow-Up. And if you like that, it's well worth checking out the undisputed classics- Deep Red and Suspiria- and the worthy second-tier titles (Phenomena and Opera), as well as the other "animal trilogy" films if you like the more traditional mystery approach

I generally prefer straight-up mystery to the supernatural, which is kind of why I haven't watched Suspiria yet, so I'll definitely check those out.

You also mentioned Bava upthread. Have you ever seen Kidnapped (sometimes known as Rabid Dogs)? Far less "filmic" than Tenebre (or Dressed to Kill, for that matter) but it kinda knocked me out when I saw it a few years back. Another director I need to explore.

morvern callar (2002, ramsay) -- 4/5 (an ILXor recommendation -- quite good!)
cold fish (2010, sono) -- 2.5/5 -- so wants to be "straw dogs" or takashi miike, but ends up being a dumber (and grosser) gaspar noe. at least it spares the audience noe's pretentious horseshit and just goes overboard on the gore.

You also mentioned Bava upthread. Have you ever seen Kidnapped (sometimes known as Rabid Dogs)?

I haven't yet- I've been working my way chronologically through what's in the old Anchor Bay Bava box sets, and so far I've only watched his first two major pictures (Black Sunday and The Girl Who Knew Too Much, though I've also seen Black Sabbath and Bay of Blood prior to this little expedition).

Which cut did you see, btw? As far as I'm aware, the two versions are supposed to be quite different, with Rabid Dogs being Bava's posthumously released rough cut and Kidnapped his son Lamberto's re-edit for the US home video market in 2007. The Anchor Bay box supposedly includes Rabid Dogs; I'm hoping that's the case and it's not a misattributed Kidnapped.

The DVD I had contained both cuts, and I ended up watching both. The main difference I spotted is that one cut (presumably the re-edit) had a hilariously inappropriate muzak-y soundtrack).

Loved Cold Fish, the main characters rampage feels very forced but it's still lots of fun.

My Argento faves are Suspiria, Inferno, Opera and Deep Red. I think Bird With Crystal Plumage, Tenebre and Four Flies On Gray Velvet are solid but not really all that essential viewing.

I got those Bava boxed sets maybe 5 years ago, that was my first exposure to him. Hercules In The Haunted World and Shock were not a part of those boxes. I'm in half a mind about getting some of his other fan favourites.
- Loved the style of Kill Baby Kill, Black Sabbath and Black Sunday; better than any Hammer films. Black Sabbath is probably my favourite Bava.
- Rabid Dogs was pretty good but not really my cup of tea. Very grindhouse, it's the total opposite of his old style. Bet Tarantino loves it.
- Hecules In The Haunted World has some cool visuals, some funny goofy stuff and Christopher Lee. This is the film that convinced Arnold Schwarzenegger to get into body building and movies.
- Knives Of The Avenger is a bit of an oddity to me. A family of noble savages in an adventure film.
- Most horror fans love it but I thought Bay Of Blood was a total bore.
- Lisa And The Devil was a real disappointment to me. I don't think its one of the better ones.
- Baron Blood is an okay gothic horror.
- Girl Who Knew Too Much is pretty solid but I don't have much enthusiasm for it.
- I couldn't be bothered with the others in the boxes, I tried some but lost interest.
- Shock is really great. Bava convincingly catches up with the new Italian horror style. The soundtrack by Goblin offshoot Libra is fantastic.

the fog (carpenter)
parents (balaban)

Borgman (7/10)
Ida (6/10). I don't at all get the genuflection before this one. Maybe I do: foreign language + black & white + Catholic mysteries + Holocaust.

yeah i am still turning that one over. it won me over a little as it picked up the pace, as it started spending a little time really looking through her eyes. but the formalism felt so off. like the deliberately high framing/cropping was almost kinda amusing. garrel-esque static-camera b&w can just feel so fussy, now. you could obviously argue that the switch in style around the last shot is accentuated by the stillness that precedes it, but it felt more like a sudden taste of vibrancy that the film had really been missing.

which film?

watched the beach for the first time. was like late-90s the movie. i really enjoyed the soundtrack.

oh, ida!
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Carnal Knowledge (Mike Nichols, 1971)
Under the Volcano (John Huston, 1984)
I Will Buy You (Masaki Kobayashi, 1956)
Japanese Girls at the Harbor (Hiroshi Shimizu, 1933) - the downside of picking a film via random number generator
Bulldog Drummond's Secret Police (James Hogan, 1939)
A Man Escaped (Robert Bresson, 1956)

Ida is in its 7th week in NYC, but any Holocaust-related film w/ a pedigree usu manages that. I'll go soon.

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what'd you think of Carnal Knowledge?

I liked it -- except for Arthur Garfunkel the actor. Part of me wants to downgrade it a notch for drawing water from the same "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" well, but in the long run it's a good companion piece. Nicholson is terrifying.

I don't see a huge overlap -- it's a Statement on a Generation by Jules Feiffer, Albee is more Mates Be Crazy, now and forever.

(same film director obv)

I thought the Nicholson/Ann-Margret section was very similar to Woolf, the whole cutting each other to shreds thing, except the power differential was much more imbalanced in Feiffer's story than Albee's. All the "statement on a generation" stuff completely fell away and it was an intimate portrait of two people with their hands around each other's throats.

Asylum (Baker)- I noticed a bunch of Amicus films were streaming on Amazon and have started to work through the ones I haven't seen. Asylum, which seems to be the consensus pick for best Amicus picture and best horror anthology film, was first, and it's great fun, even if the wraparound story (with the great Patrick Magee) ultimately doesn't make much sense (the killer's cretinous laughter at the end is genuinely disturbing, though). All four stories have a moment of genuine nightmare fuel and none feel overlong or draggy, which is enough to put Asylum in the top tier of portmanteau films just for not having a single egregious wet squib. I do kind of wish it was still possible to use "Night on Bald Mountain" in a horror film unironically.

Destino (Dominique Monfery, from Salvador Dali & Walt Disney)- I've known about this for ages, but only just remembered to check if there's a high-quality version on Youtube (there is). It's...all right. It feels like an odd compromise to make Dali's style work narratively, and the CGI employed by Monfery is far too slick and weightless, but it's pretty enough. Which is the problem, really; this doesn't really have much of the Freudian uncanniness of good surrealism or the fluidity of Disney's classical period (the original project was begun in 1945). Still worth a watch.

*Rebecca (Hitchcock)- To go with all the giallo and the massive De Palma binge I'll be starting sometime next month (Arrow Video is having a half-off sale that includes all of their De Palma titles), I've started a Hitchcock rewatch with whatever I have to hand. I hadn't seen Rebecca in at least 12 years, remembered not liking it, and didn't expect to be much impressed, but it was entertaining enough. All the unreconstructed Gothic silliness was fun, especially in light of, you know, Psycho, and Olivier's over-underacting kind of did it for me.

Hell On Earth: The Desecration & Resurrection of The Devils (Paul Joyce)- The Mark Kermode-hosted Devils documentary. As a non-Britisher I don't really know anything about Kermode, but god, he has the engaging screen presence of a wet mop. The interviews (silly as it was to stage most of them in a real church that just shows up how brilliant Jarman's sets were by comparison) were mostly a mix of fun anecdotes and fairly superficial thoughts on The Devils's significance from critics and censors, with the most interesting being a priest whose name escapes me who consulted with the Catholic Legion of Decency at the time and offered an enthusiastic endorsement of the film. Ken Russell is a sweet dirty old man (I really look forward to the commentary track), Vanessa Redgrave is still stunning, not much reason to rewatch this.

The House That Dripped Blood- Another Amicus anthology, with the immortal horror trio of Peter Cushing, Christopher Lee, and...Jon Pertwee. Who is actually pretty great! He plays his part with the same kind of barely suppressed waspishness he sometimes showed on Doctor Who, and his segment is quite funny in places (the tone is all over the place in this thing, even within individual segments). The movie overall is much less successful than Asylum, though- the first segment is mostly effective up until a dull gaslighting ending with a mundane "twist," the second (Cushing) aims for dreamlike and lands on nonsensical, and the third (Lee) takes FOR GOD DAMN EVER to get to the predictable shock ending. And, weirdly, a little girl in the Lee segment shares her name with a dead woman in the Cushing, which makes me think there might have been a more interesting (or at least complicated) attempt to link these stories together by Bloch. The framing story is pure horseshit, too, though the discovery of a fully-furnished crypt on what looks like the second floor of the house is good for a laugh. It takes some gall to bring a narrator onscreen to ask if the audience have figured out THE SHOCKING SECRET OF THE HOUSE when said secret is a) the most obvious and overused trope in haunted-house fiction and b) makes no fucking sense. I'd still watch it again, though; there's only so low I can rate these things, like an occasional dud Twilight Zone episode.

Ugh. Starting to think I should stop trying to write about movies and just scribble an A-OK gesture or sad puppy in crayon or something.

Keep writing. Post these wherever you want but since you're watching lots of old horror, consider the pre-2006 horror thread.

I haven't seen Asylum but I don't think much of those Amicus films aside from the odd moment.

That Dali/Disney thing was disappointing, I've heard there is an earlier better version that isn't so horribly plastic looking.

I'm fond of Kermode despite some reservations (I wish he'd talk about a bigger variety and use his Bay-hating time to champion lesser known worthy films), I know some on ilxor flat out dislike him. His support of Ken Russell is one of the things I like most about him.
I think that documentary is mostly for newbies who might not know who Russell even is.

i saw 22 jump street -- too much action, not as funny as orig; blew my mind to learn that amber stevens is the daughter of shadoe stevens !

reposted from the wrong damn thread:

Sorry, that came out wrong; I wasn't bemoaning a lack of responses after 5 minutes, which would be selfish and moronic, I was just disgusted with my writing, as usual, and making a poor decision to vent that in public, also as usual. I'm starting to think I should invest in a shock collar that goes off every time I type the word "genuinely."

Also is it just me or does Kermode look like a Chris Morris character?

You convinced me to get Perfume Of The Lady In Black.

True Romance (Scott)- My first Tony Scott film, somehow, not counting endless fragments of Top Gun on TV. I don't know him well enough (beyond the stereotypes) to really pick apart what's his style and what's an embryonic Tarantino sensibility, though plenty of the latter is screamingly obvious. The Elvis stuff feels a bit Wild at Heart, only less so, and it turns out that the secret to make Christian Slater tolerable is to make his character a good-natured idiot. The big name cameos are fucking bizarre, though- I have to wonder where and when that happened. Was it always in the screenplay that these big, charismatic characters would pop up for a single scene and (usually) die? Was it made this way when Tarantino and/or Scott found they had enough pull to borrow Gary Oldman or Christopher Walken for a day's shooting? I will never not enjoy watching Saul Rubinek.

Starman- Part one of a John Carpenter double-header put on by Philly's Exhumed Films, and one of the major gaps in my Carpenter viewing. I hadn't really sought it out because it seemed too obviously a reaction to Spielberg; besides, I only have room in my heart for one Persecuted Alien Space Jesus movie and, despite the title, this one doesn't have David Bowie in it. But! It was fucking great! I was worried it might be impersonal work for hire, but it slots so easily into Carpenter's blue-collar liberal humanist streak that I was surprised to find he didn't have a hand in the screenplay. Bridges is perfect as another variation on the Carpenter's male hero (alongside Kurt Russell and Roddy Piper) and the road-movie structure lets him do a little John Ford tribute with a too-brief ride through Monument Valley in winter. It's fundamentally nice, to the extent that this is the only Carpenter movie I have or will ever recommend to my mom, but not schmaltzy, which is tricky. My only complaint is the Richard Jaeckel character, who I would have dropped completely. He just feels totally superfluous, and Jaeckel brings nothing at all to the part except take screen time away from Charles Martin Smith's vastly more interesting and watchable scientist character.

*Escape From New York- Starman was screened as a pristine print straight from the Sony vaults; Escape was badly faded, scratchy, and looked like it had been screened for years non-stop in some 42nd Street shithole. Which was perfect- I almost wish that there was a deliberate scan from a bad print as a DVD extra, because the experience is fundamentally different but not worse in any way. I can't really say much about the film except to say how I'm always slightly taken aback at how deadpan and how quiet it is (the score's one really memorable moment outside the credits is the minimalist cowbell funk when Isaac Hayes' glorious Liberace limo makes its first appearance) and how much I love Romero (the flamboyantly weird guy who looks like the cover of Bad Music for Bad People).

*Black Sabbath- The Italian dub, which is the only version I've seen and the only version on the mid-2000s DVD. I'd love to watch the AIP version someday. Wikipedia says that they replaced the score with one from Les Baxter, as with Bava's previous films, but reshot the introduction and hacked the first segment to pieces, removing the lesbian relationship and making the vengeful pimp into a ghost for no goddamn reason, with some hilariously tortured plot convolutions ("The character of Frank is also no longer a pimp but a ghost who leaves behind enchanted notes that magically write themselves as soon as the envelope they are contained in is opened"). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's an extant cut of the film with Karloff dubbing his own voice, which is a goddamned crime against one of the best voices in horror. The movie is still perfect, and "The Drop of Water" can still scare the crap out of me even after this many viewings.

Saw The Lego Movie, which was great until they brought in human characters and sucked about 80% of the fun out of it. Didn't come for a lesson on parent-child relationships, thanks; came for awesome Lego-based animation, and was getting plenty of it until Will fucking Ferrell had to shove his giant face onscreen. Biggest disappointment in quite a while.

I've seen several big summer blockbusters this year, too—Godzilla (fun, but again, the people were mostly superfluous), the X-Men movie (not as good as the first two but better than the third one), and Edge of Tomorrow, which was a blast. Who doesn't want to watch Tom Cruise die screaming over and over and over again?

Re: Black Sabbath- Do you like the Karloff "behind the scenes" part at the end? I like it but some people think it spoils the otherwise serious film.

I love it. I mean, it's of a piece with the opening (Karloff warning people to check the seat next to them for VAMPIRES! as Bava hits him with a blood-red spotlight is pure William Castle) and even if it weren't, it's just far too charming to have any real problems with. Maybe the rinky-dink piano music that runs over the very end and the credits is a bit much, but that's it.

The Signal (2014): 1.5/5

this weekend's batch -- lotsa 1990s lol nostalgia:

Princesas (2005, Fernando León de Aranoa): 3.5/5
Amador (2010, Fernando León de Aranoa): 3.5/5
Beavis & Butthead Do America (1996, Mike Judge): 3.5/5
Extract (2009, Mike Judge): 2/5
The Brady Bunch Movie (1995, Betty Thomas): 3/5
Private Parts (1997, Betty Thomas): 3.5/5
The Late Shift (1996, Betty Thomas): 3.5/5

Betty Thomas, the not-quite-Amy Heckerling.

Adding to the ambivalence over Ida. Well done, but the basic contrast between Ida and her aunt didn't seem all that complex or new. I'll have to go back and read David Thomson's rave ("It is like seeing Carl Dreyer’s The Passion of Joan of Arc for the first time.") The use of "Naima" was nice; I think Mo' Better Blues is the only other film where I've encountered Coltrane.

starship troopers (paul verhoeven, 1997) 7/10
gojira (ishirō honda, 1954) 9/10