Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton says young people understand the significant threat of climate change and that she hopes there will be a mass movement that demands political change.

The potential 2016 presidential candidate says at a Clinton Global Initiative University panel that young people are much more committed to doing something to address climate change. Clinton says it isn't "just some ancillary issue" but will determine the quality of life for many people.

The former secretary of state cited global warming as a major issue that students could face in the future.

She made the comments Saturday during an interview with late-night TV host Jimmy Kimmel at Arizona State University. The weekend gathering also features former President Bill Clinton and their daughter, Chelsea.

from that finger in the wind to her mouth

never knowing who to cling to when the acid rain set in

http://climatedesk.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DaysOver95-MJ.jpg

http://climatedesk.org/2014/06/these-maps-show-how-many-brutally-hot-days-you-will-suffer-when-youre-old/

haha, yeah, i've seen that going around...the age categories are a little weird! take the first years of each four:

Birth: 1981
College: 2020 (age 39 for someone born in 1981?)
Adulthood: 2040 (age 59 for someone born in 1981?)
Retirement: 2080 (age 89 for someone born in 1981?)

lol

cool visual though

all those 59 year olds like "yes we can finally see rated r movies without our parents buying us tickets *buys tickets to blind side 2 anyway*

at any rate, the curious age categories provide even more proof that global warming is a hoax

admire Appalachia for keepin cool there

during the Great Melt, college will be scheduled on the Bluto Blutarsky timetable

Can one justifiably hold the belief that climate change is real and potentially cataclysmic while avoiding the possible pitfalls of these predictive models? I'm always put off by claims that it will get more hot here, or more wet there, when in truth there is no way to know and besides, what actually happens could (may? will?) be so much worse than predicted, or sooner, or somewhere else. It just seems self defeating as a debate stance, giving denialists further fuel for no good reason. "Oh, you said it would be cold and now it is super hot in January, you were wrong! It was not a tornado that hit D.C., it was rising coastal tides, you were wrong!" The scariest aspect of climate change (switching from the more specific and definitive "global warming" was a good start) is that we just don't know how bad things will get, but expect it is likely to radically change the way we live our lives in several different ways. Isn't that enough?

It just seems self defeating as a debate stance, giving denialists further fuel for no good reason. "Oh, you said it would be cold and now it is super hot in January, you were wrong! It was not a tornado that hit D.C., it was rising coastal tides, you were wrong!"

the debate stance you're talking about is real, but only among people who think there's a "debate" on the scientific merit of climate change. no one who has a minimum understanding of climate change would make a prediction that it will be cold in a specific January (or hot). the people that make the "it's snowing in march! you said it would be hot!" argument are those that either misunderstand the meaning of long-term projections themselves, have been lied to by intermediaries, or find political or financial benefits in spreading false information.

no one is saying that it will 100% certainly be hot on a certain day or even a certain year. i think some people have a fundamental inability to understand that the difficulty in predicting a single event that is near-term doesn't imply that it's just as difficult to make long-term projections. an analogy i often use is that it's impossible for me to predict if a coin toss will be heads or tails, but i can say with a high degree of certainty that if you flip a coin 100,000 times, about 50% of those will be heads and 50% will be tails.

I'm always put off by claims that it will get more hot here, or more wet there, when in truth there is no way to know

lol

The scariest aspect of climate change (switching from the more specific and definitive "global warming" was a good start) is that we just don't know how bad things will get, but expect it is likely to radically change the way we live our lives in several different ways. Isn't that enough?

also, fwiw, the switch away from 'global warming' was actually a media strategy pushed heavily by GOP legend frank luntz: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2003/mar/04/usnews.climatechange

Xpost how is that lol?

xpost I understand only knuckleheads take that stance, but there are clearly enough knuckleheads around to either prevent protective measures from being enacted or to spread the myth that there is two sides to this debate.

FWIW, I was responding to those charts, where were US region specific, and predicted out to the year 2200.

I think the most apocalyptic part of this is the casual assertion that given the way things are going, 99 is going to become the new retirement age. In all seriousness though, the maps do at least drive home that things are changing, things have already changed, and that I better not wait til my golden years to visit the places I grew up, as the landscape I knew will probably be pretty much burned to a crisp and not really trigger the cornucopia of ineffable sense memories one might expect.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/fe774fb43533470e4a52194eeb457e97/tumblr_n7w37qdsqz1qbypg1o1_500.gif

From here: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/decadaltemp.php

i should start buying land in michigan's upper peninsula, shouldn't I?

thinkin about doing that anyway, tbh, it's real pretty up there

The UP will be overrun by displaced polar bears in just a few more years, so you should not start a seal ranch.

noted

https://ca.autos.yahoo.com/news/conservatives-purposely-making-cars-spew-black-smoke-protest-190500408.html

ca.autos isn't the Canadian version of The Onion, right?

No, but it seems like kind of a tiny non-story, right? ''Traffic on this issue has gone from virtually nothing to *seven* times virtually nothing''....? Feels very trumped up.

I fully believe the stats behind this. I just..don't care. Shit's crazy. There's endless universes. Our planet is not special. Trash is everywhere, and I love the smell of smog driving into Chicago. Reminds me of my childhood.

Glaciers are turning visibly darker reducing the ice-fields ability to reflect sunlight. "Dark snow" is speeding up the glacial meltdown. "Even a minor decrease in the brightness of the ice sheet can double the average yearly rate of ice loss"
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/05/dark-snow-speeding-glacier-melting-rising-sea-levels?

Geoffrey Parker's Global Crisis: War, Climate Change and Catastrophe in the Seventeenth Century
http://www.history.org.uk/resources/general_resource_6435_73.html

This looks like an interesting study on "the little ice age" and it's influence on widespread famines, invasions, wars, regicides and collapsed states during the 17th century.

Kind of lame that it has a disclaimer that the causes of climate change are up for debate, but yeah, sounds neat. I'm also interested in this stuff going further back, like climate change vs. Roman Empire, vs. Viking migrations (and then the period of Sweden being this major player - feel like this must relate partly to the viability of agriculture further and further north)...

i should start buying land in michigan's upper peninsula, shouldn't I?

― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, June 28, 2014 11:39 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.greatlakesgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/yoopers-sign_2795.jpg

For reals though, there probably won't be a better place to try and survive climate disaster than the shores of Superior. Of course, when all the other lakes run dry it might get crowded. Makes me want to move home and stake my spot out now.

For reals though, there probably won't be a better place to try and survive climate disaster than the shores of Superior.

not true. for 7 years now i've been secretly building Fort Freedom in a valley in the Ozark that is hidden by carefully placed camouflage tarp. i have enough Soylent to last 77 people 77 years, and turrets placed around the perimeter

Of course, when all the other lakes run dry it might get crowded.

When the lakes dry up there'll be more land to settle! Think big!

http://theconversation.com/the-pre-holocene-climate-is-returning-and-it-wont-be-fun-27742

Soon it would be too hot

It is quite alarming that it only took a mere 100+ years of climate change to transform the Sahara from a verdant green zone into a barren wasteland.

Now causing subterranean explosions in Siberia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDAVtjSadGg

Anna Kurchatova from the Sub-Arctic Scientific Research Centre thinks the crater was formed by a water, salt and gas mixture igniting an underground explosion, the result of global warming.
Gas accumulated in ice mixed with sand beneath the surface, and that this was mixed with salt—some 10,000 years ago this area was a sea.
Global warming, causing an “alarming” melt in the under soil ice, released gas causing an effect like the popping of a Champagne bottle cork, she suggests.

Lest I omit, a second hole has been found nearby:

Reindeer herders in Russia's Far North have discovered yet another mysterious giant hole about 30 kilometers away from a similar one found days earlier.
Located in the permafrost of the subarctic Siberian region of Yamal, which means “end of the earth” in the local Nenets language, both craters appear to have been formed in recent years and have icy lakes at their bases.

These look like precursors for the last big methane burps that occurred a few million years ago. In my less than esteemed opinion I need to add. But just saying it doesn't look good.

Seriously? Fuuuuuuuucccckkk.

Between that and the Chinese DUMPLINGS!...

Didn't put that in caps, is there a filter ?

DUMPLINGS!

Ha

Oh wait

wtf?

http://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPG DUMPLINGS!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/magazine/what-do-chinese-DUMPLINGS!-have-to-do-with-global-warming.html?_r=0&referrer=