2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

anyone find it odd that they quote 'this is off the record'

-- deej, Friday, March 7, 2008 2:10 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

It doesn't count if you say it after the fact

daria, did you compile that list of obama's campaign atrocities yourself, or did someone, uh, xerox them for you? get real, please.

also, please explain how obama's campaign requesting clinton's tax returns justifies a comparison to a partisan witchfinder general like ken starr. thanks.

fwiw if i were a clinton advisor, i'd probably caution her against reminding everybody about what starr's investigation led to, but that's neither here nor there.

i said i wouldn't vote for hillary because of her fucking war vote and i think that her retarded ass vote to send ppl i know to iraq is more fucking divisive, ok???

^^this

For this alone, she's a coward and an opportunist and unworthy of the presidency. I've got family in Iraq and she can go to hell for that.

That said, I'd hole my nose and vote for her in the general because McCain's eagerness to bomb shit is too frightening.

When is Obama finally going to say, plainly "Senator Clinton voted to send our troops to war in Iraq purely as an act of personal political calculation. AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT."

Uh, "hold," not "hole"

Confused? You won't be!

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I am also waiting for someone to say that 8 years as first lady does not count as executive experience or foreign policy experience.

obama ppl have been hinting at bringing this up

it's a completely logical argument!! like, drinking tea with the first lady of mongolia != foreign policy experience

she studied abroad for 8 years imo

half-joking btw. would also like to see a "when the phone rings in the white house at 3 AM, who's gonna be the person to vote for an awful and illogical war? the steadfast hilary clinton" counter ad.

hey guys, remember 'wag the dog' and how it was a pretty obvious send up of bill clinton bombing iraq in the midst of the monica affair? yeah, it's still like that: HRC's iraq vote was another instance of abusing military supremacy for political advantage. whereas bush used his political advantage after 9/11 to abuse military supremacy. same diff.

Guys I really like Obama but I guess I'm just not as excited about taking promising young political talent and throwing it into a boiling cesspool as you are

There's this notion that the Bush administration tricked Congress with convincing bullshit, but the arguments for invasion would have been a grab bag of non sequiturs even had their premises been true.

also worth pointing out that even at the time public support for iraq was barely over 50%. post-powell at the un it might've hit 60% but it wasn't like anyone was being asked to vote against candy or some shit

Is anybody arguing with you guys? Are you arguing with someone else?

^should be the thread title imo

Hey, did you guys hear that Trent Reznor made like three quarters of a million bucks in like two days of downloads or their new album?

I guess it's pretty serious.

Trent Hussein Reznor.

Primaries Thread 3: THE QUACKENING

but please NEVERMIND I'm not actually here! fuck this thread!!! aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh

-- El Tomboto, Thursday, March 6, 2008 6:17 PM

This thread is an adaptation of Clerks.

buncha savages in this town

Am I the only happy Hillary supporter on ILX?

I think it looks like if she wins it she'll put Obama in the running as a VP in order to "unite the party".

i srsly doubt obama would give up his senate seat for vp slot (unless he was sure she was gonna lose)

VP would be great for him because then all the inevitable shit is not technically his fault

like, I am completely certain the next presidential term is going to be one of the worst ever, regardless of who wins, and I'd rather see somebody with "experience" get their name associated with it (cf that poor bastard Hoover) rather than somebody inspiring, because inspiration doesn't recover well from horrible disappointment (cf that poor bastard Carter)

OTMbot

It doesn't count if you say it after the fact

-- 31g, Thursday, March 6, 2008 9:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

then why do they keep quoting her after she says it

when hillary says she's "crossed the threshold" for being trusted as the commander in chief -- to what is she referring? can she really be talking about the fact that she was wrong about iraq in the beginning? is this the same meme that's been heavily discussed over the last year or so, where those who were wrong about iraq are considered "serious people" and those who were right about iraq are not?

"Please speculate wildly in the comments"

http://gawker.com/364706/jouno-takes-redundancy-to-illogical-extreme

Maureen Dowd’s twice-weekly nervous breakdown may draw attention from her colleague, Gail Collins. That would be a crying shame, because Collins is every bit as big an upper-class hack as her better-known lunatic consoeur.

This morning’s column is Typical Collins -- Collins by the numbers:

In paragraphs 1 and 2, Collins rolls her eyes at the thought of yet another big primary. Darlings, how will we survive it?

In paragraph 3, we get a complaint about Clinton’s “boring round-table discussions.”

In paragraph 4, we’re told that Obama plans to conduct “mind-numbing” policy chats of his own. (“I’m sure I speak for everyone when I say we’re all looking forward to that.”)

In paragraph 5, we see Deepest Collins -- the soul of an upper-class darling:

COLLINS (3/6/08): Ohio was great. I don’t know how anybody could not love a primary where the big scandal involves gossip about Nafta among Canadian diplomats.

Translation: NAFTA doesn’t affect my high kind! You working-class Ohio slugs can just go f*ck yourselves.

But then, Collins peddles this snark in every column. Question: If you couldn’t read their columns, would you have the slightest idea that such Antionettes exist?

deej for a look at "fair and balanced" and what that actually means these days with these two candidates, that whole article is worth reading - http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh030608.shtml

hey guys, remember 'wag the dog' and how it was a pretty obvious send up of bill clinton bombing iraq in the midst of the monica affair?

He bombed just about every country but Iraq. Trying to, you know, kill Bin Laden. Which Hitchens mocks him for, in real time, here, embarrassingly referring to Bin Laden as "a sort of Arab version of Ken Starr."
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/09/23news.html

I'd rather see somebody with "experience" get their name associated with it (cf that poor bastard Hoover) rather than somebody inspiring, because inspiration doesn't recover well from horrible disappointment (cf that poor bastard Carter)

You're half-right. I mean, Carter was supposed to represent "inspiration"? On what planet?

Larry David: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-david/on-the-red-phone_b_90338.html

also contains this:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/14085/original.jpg

click for way bigger

http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/blogphotos/07/hillary-clinton-faces-horizontal.jpg

that gail collins column is maybe the worst thing i have ever read

^^^this

tracer wtf

I am amused that kingfish and everyone else appear to have traded places on this thread.

He bombed just about every country but Iraq.

I don't know who you are, mystery lurker, but you're simply wrong.

CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

That's December 16, 1998.

the unflappable Obama? He, with the ice in his veins, who doesn't panic when he's losing or get too giddy when he's winning

will america elect its first black vulcan?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/bill-clinton-in-wyoming/

“These boots are special,” he said. “Larry King gave them to me after I had heart surgery.”

lol Bill, this is not how to appeal to the youth vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/06/obama-aide-hillary-is-a_n_90339.html

fully willing to believe this is a have your cake and eat it to tactic no the part of the obama team

"It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms," she said. "I apologize to Senator Clinton and to Senator Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics."

looool

stern hillary is stern

hey guys, remember 'wag the dog' and how it was a pretty obvious send up of bill clinton bombing iraq in the midst of the monica affair?

That movie was written, filmed, and released before (about three weeks before, but still) the monica affair blew up. Also, there were (vastly underreported) weekly bombing runs in Iraq during Clinton's entire presidency.

ha, deej, i think it's more a measure of a campaign advisor under pressure forgetting of the sanctioned message to vent. it's certainly an idiot thing to say during any campaign, but i don't think you can characterize it as calculated.

tracer wtf

-- deej, Friday, 7 March 2008 14:00 (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

deej you wanna throw a verb in there or something so i know what you're hornswoggled by this time?