Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

guy who never ever behaves as if there's nothing to say

on a stupid fucking useless messageboard i use to kill my final years

:(

sorry you feel that way. not about the board, about yourself. :(

i have abandonment issues. plus the other stuff.

also i am drugged

xanax and vicodin?

hoos otm

lots of people owe me things though. because i've leant them out. books, some cash when a friend was short at dinner, a power driver, a monitor adapter (that i don't really need anymore, so is it still owed to me if i don't want it back?), i dunno. books mainly, i suppose.

i owe some books to people too also.

anyway we all live in a network of debts and obligations and it binds us close and that's fine. it's called friendship, community, society.

some people don't know what transactions they're entering into though, or why.

hoos, clover otm

still happy to think i owe others compassion, decency, respect, etc. it's a basic, human obligation that requires no ledger or balance, and i'm not super in love with the constant ilx hair-splitting about correct terminology. people who think they owe others nothing will think that no matter what language you choose.

You guys do understand that "the world doesn't owe you anything" is a figure of speech, right?

http://disfuctionalunit.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/boehner_bernstein-620x412.jpg

*queefs*

The unexpected truther

http://radio.com/2014/05/28/80s-punk-star-exene-cervenka-claims-santa-barbara-shooting-was-a-hoax/

great thanks for that exene

Sadly that's pretty expected these days

she has a point. we do always see a wave of successful gun control legislation after these things.

sadlol

[nausea]

blecchsene

She is unwell

she should team up with moe tucker in a new band. let's call them "the reactionaries."

And Michelle Shocked.

she is definitely mentally ill. i feel bad about this whole line of conversation now.

she should team up with moe tucker in a new band. let's call them "the reactionaries."

― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:37 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mike watt might have a problem with that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reactionaries

The Victoria Jackson 5

TS: Elliot Rodger or Elliott Smith?

And just a few days later in IV, a student accidently discharges his pistol (one of 7, with 1000 rounds of ammo), almost hitting someone in the next apartment.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ucsb-student-fires-gun-accidentally-misses-neighbor-isla-vista-police-article-1.1809272

“Obviously, I’m very sorry about the whole thing,” he told The News. “It was a stupid mistake and I should have knew better."

if you don't know the past participle of "know" can we just take your guns away?

and if you think "poor timing" is the main cause for concern over your accidental discharge of a bullet through a neighboring apartment, can we never give them back?

TS: Elliot Rodger or Elliott Smith?

― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:49 PM (15 minutes ago)

dude c'mon

Every time I see this thread up this high I just assume someone else has been shot. I guess eventually that will be true.

when i lived in a dorm, i was leaning against a wall while workers were installing a mount for a TV in the gym next door to my room & they drilled straight through the wall two inches from my head

i guess my point is don't use pistols or drills

when i lived in a dorm, i was leaning against a wall while workers were installing a mount for a TV in the gym next door to my room & they drilled straight through the wall two inches from my head

sell that idea to cronenberg before someone else does

they already did that on Friends

David Cronenberg directed an episode of Friends?

"The One with the Brood"

no, someone sold the same idea to Cronenberg, in an episode of Friends. xp

it was chandler iirc

We've discussed entitlement a lot on this thread, which is making me wonder where the line is between 'people who have a sense of entitlement they can and should get over', and 'people who are forced into expecting certain things because that's the way society trains us'?

Obviously Rodger falls very far on one side of this line, but more generally, where is that line (if it exists - is there no allowance for people who have been conditioned into a sense of entitlement or is this conditioning something a mature individual can be expected to break out of through will-power)

or is this conditioning something a mature individual can be expected to break out of through will-power

my knee-jerk reaction is to say the answer is this. straying into allowances for societal conditioning feels like "affluenza" as defense to me but maybe i am being overly critical

is there no allowance for people who have been conditioned into a sense of entitlement

that's exactly what entitlement is. and no, it is, for real, a big part of The Problem. but you can only not allow it in yourself and try to not w/ people you have a relationship with, in positive terms, by emphasizing active not-entitlement with people outside of your conditioned social milieu.

that's exactly what entitlement is

this

straying into allowances for societal conditioning feels like "affluenza" as defense to me but maybe i am being overly critical

I suppose I'd be ready to say that being angry because you didn't get given an expensive enough car for your 18th birthday (for example) is the kind of entitlement you can and should get over.

But what about someone (for example) who hates themselves because they think they 'ought' to be running their kids to school in a car at this point in their life, but can't afford a car and have to walk the kids instead?

I guess this latter example might not be entitlement proper though. Or a sense of entitlement is mingled with a sense of not doing enough for others, or with frustration at actual difficulties.

Rodger clearly felt, quite literally, 'entitled to sex' from women. As do a lot of men, there's so much evidence for this in testimonies from sexual abuse survivors.

Outside of abusers, though, and in the world of non-abusive but very unhappy people, I wonder how many men really feel 'entitled to sex', or in how many cases that phrase fails to take in the nuances (e.g. where anger at lack of sex is to do with a feeling of having betrayed one's family by not giving them grandchildren, or a feeling of not having matured properly).

I don't know, actually, and giving too much allowance here could be extremely dangerous.

is there no allowance for people who have been conditioned into a sense of entitlement

― cardamon, Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:47 PM (3 hours ago)

i suppose it depends on what you mean by "allowance". we're not obliged to furiously condemn every sign of unexamined entitlement, so in that sense, sure - we have the allowance dictated by our sense of compassion, proportion, necessity, appropriateness and so on. choose your battles, etc.

But what about someone (for example) who hates themselves because they think they 'ought' to be running their kids to school in a car at this point in their life, but can't afford a car and have to walk the kids instead?

I guess this latter example might not be entitlement proper though.

― cardamon, Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:28 PM (2 hours ago)

okay, i think i get where you're coming from now. and no, that isn't entitlement as i understand it. i'd call that a sense of inadequacy relative to unrealistic (perceived) social expectation.

if one felt that one's children fundamentally deserved chaufeurred limo service to an exclusive private school, then that would be entitlement.

also tho feeling entitled to material quality of life things is very sympathetic. feeling entitled to other humans' bodies is pretty sick.

The AP says the sheriff's deputies who evaluated UCSB killer Elliott Rodger during an April wellness check were well aware of his threatening YouTube videos but never bothered to actually watch them.

The sheriff's office told reporters an officer and officer-in-training were dispatched to Rodger's apartment after the county's mental health line called in a report that Rodger's mother and therapist were concerned by his online posts.

Police say he told the officers—who never actually watched the videos—that his uploads were just a way for him to express himself.

They questioned him for 10 minutes, found him to be shy and polite, and told him to call his mother. After the wellness check, he apparently removed the videos for fear he'd be discovered, reposting them shortly before the shooting began.