Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

i didn't read the entire gethard thing but . . . the bit about how he and his junior-high friends had a 'hilarious' plan to take over the nurse's office as a base for their attack on their school is fucked up

"there's nothing to say" - guy who never ever behaves as if there's nothing to say

decency is not a form debt. we do not 'owe' one another compassion, and to make empathy a commodity is to buy into the game. the structures we ought to build to support the least among us shouldn't be understood as a form of repayment or they'll always be challenged by people who think they're owed whatever they manage to exploit.

our charge to be decent to one another for the sake of us all and the sake of all of us comes from an ethic that can't be based on a ledger.

but i sort of feel like this discussion belongs in a diff thread? idk.

well-put

though i think i would drop "sake of us all" and "sake of all of us" as totals because the other is always already elusive, i'm pretty radical-subjective levinasian about all of this tbh, generalizing to avoid generalities, with a "useful" bent, love basically.

ty hoos, well put indeed xxxxp

guy who never ever behaves as if there's nothing to say

on a stupid fucking useless messageboard i use to kill my final years

:(

sorry you feel that way. not about the board, about yourself. :(

i have abandonment issues. plus the other stuff.

also i am drugged

xanax and vicodin?

hoos otm

lots of people owe me things though. because i've leant them out. books, some cash when a friend was short at dinner, a power driver, a monitor adapter (that i don't really need anymore, so is it still owed to me if i don't want it back?), i dunno. books mainly, i suppose.

i owe some books to people too also.

anyway we all live in a network of debts and obligations and it binds us close and that's fine. it's called friendship, community, society.

some people don't know what transactions they're entering into though, or why.

hoos, clover otm

still happy to think i owe others compassion, decency, respect, etc. it's a basic, human obligation that requires no ledger or balance, and i'm not super in love with the constant ilx hair-splitting about correct terminology. people who think they owe others nothing will think that no matter what language you choose.

You guys do understand that "the world doesn't owe you anything" is a figure of speech, right?

http://disfuctionalunit.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/boehner_bernstein-620x412.jpg

*queefs*

The unexpected truther

http://radio.com/2014/05/28/80s-punk-star-exene-cervenka-claims-santa-barbara-shooting-was-a-hoax/

great thanks for that exene

Sadly that's pretty expected these days

she has a point. we do always see a wave of successful gun control legislation after these things.

sadlol

[nausea]

blecchsene

She is unwell

she should team up with moe tucker in a new band. let's call them "the reactionaries."

And Michelle Shocked.

she is definitely mentally ill. i feel bad about this whole line of conversation now.

she should team up with moe tucker in a new band. let's call them "the reactionaries."

― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:37 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mike watt might have a problem with that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reactionaries

The Victoria Jackson 5

TS: Elliot Rodger or Elliott Smith?

And just a few days later in IV, a student accidently discharges his pistol (one of 7, with 1000 rounds of ammo), almost hitting someone in the next apartment.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ucsb-student-fires-gun-accidentally-misses-neighbor-isla-vista-police-article-1.1809272

“Obviously, I’m very sorry about the whole thing,” he told The News. “It was a stupid mistake and I should have knew better."

if you don't know the past participle of "know" can we just take your guns away?

and if you think "poor timing" is the main cause for concern over your accidental discharge of a bullet through a neighboring apartment, can we never give them back?

TS: Elliot Rodger or Elliott Smith?

― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:49 PM (15 minutes ago)

dude c'mon

Every time I see this thread up this high I just assume someone else has been shot. I guess eventually that will be true.

when i lived in a dorm, i was leaning against a wall while workers were installing a mount for a TV in the gym next door to my room & they drilled straight through the wall two inches from my head

i guess my point is don't use pistols or drills

when i lived in a dorm, i was leaning against a wall while workers were installing a mount for a TV in the gym next door to my room & they drilled straight through the wall two inches from my head

sell that idea to cronenberg before someone else does

they already did that on Friends

David Cronenberg directed an episode of Friends?

"The One with the Brood"

no, someone sold the same idea to Cronenberg, in an episode of Friends. xp

it was chandler iirc

We've discussed entitlement a lot on this thread, which is making me wonder where the line is between 'people who have a sense of entitlement they can and should get over', and 'people who are forced into expecting certain things because that's the way society trains us'?

Obviously Rodger falls very far on one side of this line, but more generally, where is that line (if it exists - is there no allowance for people who have been conditioned into a sense of entitlement or is this conditioning something a mature individual can be expected to break out of through will-power)

or is this conditioning something a mature individual can be expected to break out of through will-power

my knee-jerk reaction is to say the answer is this. straying into allowances for societal conditioning feels like "affluenza" as defense to me but maybe i am being overly critical