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it's not as if she's particularly unique in any of her behaviour!

You're right. I distinctly remember Britney Spears having a TV show wherein the entire point was showing how outrageously awful she behaves towards people.

And of course, Britney was born into a popstar dynasty.

― Ronan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

and, seriously guys, prisons are full of violent criminals, not to mention misogynists. who does it really benefit for someone like paris hilton to be there? if she was out, she'd be out spending money and keeping people in jobs.

for nonviolent or minor offences like drink driving and incorrect paperwork maybe it would be better for the punishment to be financial rather than incarceration? that way they could also make a positive contriubtion to society rather than being a drain on resources in overcrowded prisons where they might end up getting criminalized

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

Quite right; Paris and her kind shouldn't be clogging up prisons.

They should be sent to the gas chamber instead.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

paris is rich, richer than probably 95% of the people on this board

Real talk: you ain't gonna top this, go out on top.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

the other 5%:

Halle Berry
Ned and his porn empire

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

actually i reckon Geir is fucking mint-wedged and that's why he never goes out.

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, "mint-wedged".

― Pashmina, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

are you guys opposed to Foucault because you prefer to see things in stricter economic terms?

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

Driving after having a license revoked for DUI is just stupid no matter what your income level, but I'd like her to be levelled somewhat by going to icky prison where at least one inmate knows she's dropped n-bombs, as she seems to need arsekick in the what goes around, comes around department. This seems like justice, but instead she'll go to a minimum security jail with a pay wing like all the other rich Californians do now, and learn what lesson exactly?

― suzy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

for nonviolent or minor offences like drink driving

would peoples' opinions towards paris's actions be different if she'd killed someone by drunk driving? would you still think she should hold her head high if that had happened, Lex?

― stevie, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

This seems like justice, but instead she'll go to a minimum security jail with a pay wing like all the other rich Californians do now, and learn what lesson exactly?

i could be vastly wrong, but hadn't the judge said she would have to serve at a regular prison, without the option of minimum security? i THINK i heard this somewhere, tho it may have been an entirely unrelated case...

― stevie, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

are you guys opposed to Foucault because you prefer to see things in stricter economic terms?

-- 696, Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:33 PM (9 minutes ago)

not exactly, just that he was a poor historian, imported a completely nonsensical science-derived apparatus into areas where it had no traction (eg the notion of the "episteme" in the history of philosophy) and made idiotic political interventions.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

url=[Removed Illegal Link] people who are known to have driven drunk:[/url]

* Tim Allen
* Oksana Baiul
* Halle Berry
* President of the United States, George W. Bush[6]
* Glen Campbell[7]
* Gordon Campbell, Premier of British Columbia, Canada[8]
* Vice-President of the United States, Dick Cheney, Convicted twice of DUI in Wyoming
* Robert Downey Jr.
* Mel Gibson (Mel Gibson DUI incident)
* Paris Hilton
* Wynonna Judd
* Patrick J. Kennedy
* United States Senator Ted Kennedy
* Peg Lautenschlager, former Attorney General of Wisconsin
* Michael Phelps
* Nicole Richie
* Diana Ross
* Don Shelby
* Eve
* Ty Pennington
* Josh Hancock, St Louis Cardinals
* Busta Rhymes[9]
* David Hasselhoff

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

So, what, because a bunch of other people drove drunk, that makes it less heinous, or something?

― Pashmina, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, what the fuck is the point of listing all those ppl otherwise?

― Pashmina, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

i don't get the illegal link thing. that was wikipedia anyway.

stevie, my point is that people's opinions of paris would still be largely angry, hateful ones even if she hadn't been convicted of drunk driving and even if the racist videos had never surfaced. that's useful ammunition - i'm not defending her actions! just like you wouldn't defend the actions of various rock stars/celebrities you approved of overall - but also, total red herrings

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

no, pashmina, what i'm obviously saying is that, as stupid as DUI is, it's not the reason people feel disproportionate anger towards paris hilton, otherwise we'd see similar opprobrium heaped on all the others i listed, several of whom are totally respected on ilx

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, people like Dick Cheney and Ted Kennedy have had their reputations as beloved contributors to society unblemished by revelations of their drink driving.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

guys, i think basically we're all happy to criticize people for racism and drink driving and the like, but are any of us really in a position to criticize. sometimes you have to see past the bad to see the good

and there wasnt much criticism on ilx when steve finnan killed a man with his car. because he helped win a cup

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but if a rock star i 'approved of' was caught drunk driving (and then kept driving, and then blamed this on an underling) i wouldn't be saying they should "hold their head high" because its fucking shameful behaviour, and just because they make great art is no defense for being a crappy human being. it doesn't invalidate the art either, but its not the art you're defending, is it?

― stevie, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

and, if you look closely, i think you'll find some of your friends have been racist and have driven under the influence of alcohol

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

and people need support, not to be attacked, when they make a mistake

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Let's support Charles Manson 'cos he meant to kill Terry Melcher.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

stevie it's the art i have defended most of all!

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

G, people who make mistakes admit them, generally, if they want support or forgiveness. It's the old 'blame the publicist' thing that sticks in the craw; stupidity makes no detour around the offspring of the rich. How do you blame a publicist for something you should know as part of basic Civics knowledge?

Even the 'regular' prisons have the pay wing now, to cope with middle-class DUIs. PH is just behaving like any other middle-class person who believes the police are not there to 'deal with' them. What bugs me is that most people who get busted for DUI are unthinking about the consequences and often think the judgement against them was some major aberration or a defect in the sentencing judge's character and not a reflection of their own offence.

― suzy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

at the end of the day if she can buy good houses and good cars she should be able to buy good justice otherwise what is the point in being rich?
...
but are NONE of you guys suspicious about this, that her legal team wasnt intefered with somehow. for someone of her position to be doing jail time for this. no, something weird going on there.

so because she failed to corrupt the legal system, the legal system is corrupt...?

― m the g, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

"I could not live with myself if anyone was injured or killed while I was driving while impaired. Clearly, no one should -- no matter how slightly."

― ^@^, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

stevie it's the art i have defended most of all!

-- lex pretend, Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:58 AM (5 minutes ago)

following in the footsteps of lil' kim and courtney love* - well done paris!

in a way i'm mildly disappointed that she's acknowledging this at all - she should hold her head up, stoically do her time, recognise that in doing so she's vaulted over 90% of rappers in the gangsta stakes, sail out after a month and carry on blissfully as before, still hott to death and still a bitch, still pissing off the haterz

-- lex pretend, Wednesday, May 9, 2007 2:27 PM (Yesterday)

― stevie, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

lex said the same about lil kim, foxxy brown...other women in 'pop', i presume

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, i love diana ross to fucking death, but i'd still agree that its pretty obvious that she's a cunt.

― stevie, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think this particular spat is about the DUI specifically - focussing on the DUI is a red herring, it's maybe more about the appearance that Ms Hilton thinks the law does not apply to her? And perhaps a certain amount of relish that this is in fact not the case?

― Pashmina, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

come on its the 21st century, everyone knows the person IS the art. i dont think its that easy to separate. and sometimes if you are a fan of the art you have to take the rough with the smooth. and we're eulogise people who go off the rails or are violent, hardman heroes etc. no one is saying racism and driving with no licence are nice, but neither is waving a gun in someones face

and have you noticed its men that get eulogized, why are we so quick to criticize our women for the things we glamourize in our men?

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

i love diana ross, courtney love and lil' kim as well, it's obvious they're cunts, this is part of why i love them. it's not as if i ever want to actually talk to them!

xp ok pashmina here is a direct quote from paris: "No one is above the law. I surely am not"

happy now?

― lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

lex fyi paris is not "hott to death", for realsies.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

so because she failed to corrupt the legal system, the legal system is corrupt...?

no

1) in a capitalist country, different levels of services are available to different people.

2) im not saying that she failed to corrupt the legal system. im saying in most cases someone of her background would have been let off with a slap on the wrist, if they were not famous. its her fame that contributed to this sentence. its PC basically, the desire to punish her for her background rather than the crime itself. and i really hoped we'd seen the last of that in america, people being targeted because of their race or class or status

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

i prefer her body to foucaults

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

but why do we constantly have to bring it down to that level?

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

'we'

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

wheeeeeeeeeee!

sorry. continue.

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

history of slavery to thread

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

"No one is above the law. I surely am not, but if I drive my car on a suspended licence just this once, I'm sure it'll be OK and it won't count"

― Pashmina, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

1. Jessica Alba
2. Keeley Hazell
3. Eva Longoria
4. Adriana Lima
5. Scarlett Johansson
6. Hayden Panettiere
7. Cheryl Tweedy
8. Angelina Jolie
9. Emily Scott
10. Elisha Cuthbert
11. Eva Mendes
12. Keira Knightley
13. Evangeline Lilly
14. Christina Aguilera
15. Rachel Stevens
16. Kelly Brook
17. Sarah Harding
18. Beyonce Knowles
19. Alessandra Ambrosia
20. Cameron Diaz
21. Jessica Simpson
22. Nicole Scherzinger
23. Gemma Atkinson
24. Jessica Biel
25. Kate Middleton
26. Holly Willoughby
27. Nadine Coyle
28. Carmen Electra
29. Avril Lavigne
30. Lindsay Lohan
31. Charlotte McKenna
32. Charlize Theron
33. Halle Berry
34. Rachel Bilson
35. Jennifer Aniston
36. Eva Green
37. Abigail Clancy
38. Joss Stone
39. Hilary Duff
40. Kate Beckinsale
41. Hayley Parsons
42. Roxanne McKee
43. Jennifer Love Hewitt
44. Maria Sharapova
45. Sienna Miller
46. Billie Piper
47. Nicola Roberts
48. Holly Valance
49. Ali Larter
50. Anna Kournikova
51. Ana Beatriz Barros
52. Gisele Bundchen
53. Peaches Geldof
54. Britney Spears
55. Rihanna
56. Natalie Portman
57. Mischa Barton
58. Imogen Thomas
59. Michelle Ryan
60. Petra Nemcova
61. Kimberley Walsh
62. Kayleigh Pearson
63. Tanya Robinson
64. Alexa Chung
65. Charlotte Church
66. Amii Grove
67. Myleene Klass
68. Kate Moss
69. Fearne Cotton
70. Holly Newberry
71. Vikki Blows
72. Nikki Sanderson
73. Rosario Dawson
74. Jenna Jameson
75. Kirsten Dunst
76. Danielle Lloyd
77. Tera Patrick
78. Joanna Krupa
79. Tricia Helfer
80. Abi Titmuss
81. Charlotte Marshall
82. Noemie Lenoir
83. Michelle Marsh
84. Sophie Howard
85. Jenni Falconer
86. Kara Tointon
87. Jennifer Ellison
88. Melissa Theuriau
89. Jaime Pressly
90. Sophia Bush
91. Jennifer Garner
92. Lucy Pinder
93. Georgie Thompson
94. Heidi Range
95. Abi Harding
96. Melanie Slade
97. Pamela Anderson
98. Emma Watson
99. Ziyi Zhang
100. Lacey Turner

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

The late great Alex Harvey had the best solution to this. Allow people to commit a crime, any crime, whether murder or littering, just once without any punishment at all. Then the second time they do it they get shot immediately.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

100 hotter than foucault?

i'll take #10 please

</c-man>

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

in a capitalist country, different levels of services are available to different people.

which, when it comes to the law, translates as 'the rich are not/should not be as accountable as the poor'. corrupt, at all?

in most cases someone of her background would have been let off with a slap on the wrist, if they were not famous.

if that's how the system normally works, then the system is corrupt.

it's not punishing her because of her background, but in spite of. there's absolutely no reason why she should be treated any more leniently because of her wealth and privilege.

― m the g, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

a double corruption does not a fair system make. it doestn equalize, it exacerbates. a cursory reading of Reiman should have told us that

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

i'm reposting this image here because i love it so much:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/parishiltonpreparingherdefense.jpg

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

photoshop that so the book is 'the fountainhead'

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

she looks good with the spectacles. kinda sophisticated.

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0369226/03_72dpi.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

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