― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 March 2003 11:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
If a place is too hot for cheese, it's too hot for me. I am a pale retiring (but strangely nutty) Jarlsberg.
― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 17 March 2003 11:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 March 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nikki {BL}~R, Thursday, 7 August 2003 03:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 03:24 (twenty years ago) link
nikki
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― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 7 August 2003 03:46 (twenty years ago) link
― nikki {BL}~R, Thursday, 7 August 2003 03:47 (twenty years ago) link
― nikki {BL}~R, Thursday, 7 August 2003 03:53 (twenty years ago) link
I actually know several real-life, real-time Gorean households (who basically follow, as much as is possible and practical) the world as created by Norman. It's not for me, (though there are 'free women' in Gor, but the whole thing is soooo not my style. Not even as a Panther Woman). There are some beautiful parts of Gorean life, especially the positions and rituals (think Japanese Tea Ceremony as far as there being serious rules about what is and is not acceptable). The women that I know who are actively real-time Gorean say that they find fulfillment in the giving over of power. In general I have not been nearly as impressed with the real-time Gorean 'masters,' though.
Personally, I cannot see much fulfilling in a relationship where the self is negated and one can only refer to themselves in the third person (it is, however, better than the one male slave that I know who was trained to speak of himself in third person AND as 'it'. *shudder*). I also have a problem with the basic assumption that ALL males are superior to any female. (Give me a break!) AND that any female who is not submissive is just deluding herself and needs to be brought under control and taught to submit.
I can see the rewards of experimenting with Gor as on-line role playing, as it is an interesting process to assume new identities and to explore them in annonymity. However, I do not think that I'd ever be comfortable in a real-time Gorean household (I do like to visit them, every once in a while, to watch the service ... an experienced red-silk slave is a delight to be around! And it's delightful to never have to ask for a refill of a drink and so forth - like old-fashioned maid service, in many ways). But to each their own *shrug*
I think I'd prefer a world where I was pretty much in charge and everyone obeyed and honored and worshipped me. And where I could spend my day reading and eating chocolates and being fanned by naked males and females weilding ostrich-feather fans and so forth. Oh, and where there were lots of orgasms, too.
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 7 August 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 7 August 2003 04:51 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 August 2003 04:52 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 7 August 2003 08:13 (twenty years ago) link
Surely that's just as much the case in a lot of non-Gorean S&M?
― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 7 August 2003 09:53 (twenty years ago) link
It is in my experience, Caitlin.
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 18 June 2005 12:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 18 June 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 18 June 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Saturday, 18 June 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― giboyeux (skowly), Saturday, 18 June 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link
...it was the bears, wasn't it? HOTT.
― giboyeux (skowly), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link
This "thanks" to reading yr thread yesterday, mark s!
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
women are pleasure slavesmen are men and dress in leather while they eat meatruled by a cast of giant insect-priestsexactly on the other side of the sun, counterbalancing the earthbut HOTTER than earth
Let's all go to GOR!
Sounds great to me!
― Stoner Guy, Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
ph4y i pwn yr subconscious and u know it
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link
god, i think one of these sites was an AwfulLinkoftheDay on SA a few years ago...
― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link
...This exotic world of misogyny and male dominance is every science fiction nerd's wet dream; in the world of Gor, women throw themselves all over the nearest 20-sided die rolling scrawny outcast nerd with a broadsword! Gor is so much better than Earth because on Gor you get to fight for virtues and stab evil creatures with glowing magic poles while buying slave women who cater to your every whim and don't turn you down like Betsy Hilman did in the high school junior dance when everybody laughed at you and then you spilled punch on your pants and ran home crying and your mom laughed at you because she was drunk out of her mind and they'll all pay oh yes they will pay... [...]To some particularly fragile nutjobs on the Internet, once again the line between fantasy and reality becomes as fuzzy as their last memory of lifting up their 600-pound pale Slim Jim gut and actually viewing their own penis without the aid of a hydraulic lift and a series of NASA cameras. Thousands of dedicated online fuckbags have spent the last decade ironing out the kinks of the kinky "Gor D/s" scene (which either stands for "Gor Dominant / submissive" or "Gor Dumb Shits"), which is some kind of retarded bondage / dominance thing that combines the beauty of 1960's science fiction novels, sex, and Internet chat rooms. I honestly can't think of any mixture more disturbing and worthless than this, except possibly tons of napalm and the local Lee's Summit grade school...
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To some particularly fragile nutjobs on the Internet, once again the line between fantasy and reality becomes as fuzzy as their last memory of lifting up their 600-pound pale Slim Jim gut and actually viewing their own penis without the aid of a hydraulic lift and a series of NASA cameras. Thousands of dedicated online fuckbags have spent the last decade ironing out the kinks of the kinky "Gor D/s" scene (which either stands for "Gor Dominant / submissive" or "Gor Dumb Shits"), which is some kind of retarded bondage / dominance thing that combines the beauty of 1960's science fiction novels, sex, and Internet chat rooms. I honestly can't think of any mixture more disturbing and worthless than this, except possibly tons of napalm and the local Lee's Summit grade school...
― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 19 June 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 19 May 2006 07:55 (eighteen years ago) link
As far as I can tell the chap was hardly very secretive about what he was doing - but then the national press picked up on it. More worrying is how the local press found out about the story - whether it was a police leak.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 19 May 2006 08:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 19 May 2006 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Minimal Criminal (kate), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago) link
women sharing is never a facet of patrichal societies AFAIK
― Heave Ho, Sunday, 12 August 2007 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link
the scummiest folks in the bdsm scene i knew weren't goreans. i personally, in the process of trying to deal with my depression, have written fiction that is far more offensive and disturbing than anything john norman, whose chief fault is his lack of imagination, has come up with. nobody will ever read any of it while i am still alive. i guess i should just delete everything i've written now in case any of it gets out and gets hung over my head. i'm used to that sort of shit. i've been dealing with it at least high school. do what we say or we'll let you know what you're REALLY like, and god knows twenty, twenty-five years ago liking the sort of things i liked made me a certified Sick Fuck(TM).
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:14 AM (three years ago)
Any reason you don't want to delete it all?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:07 PM (three years ago)
any reason i don't want to destroy my own past and pretend to be "normal"?
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:49 PM (three years ago)
I'm really sorry for saying that. I hope you don't delete the stuff.
I believe that a contributing factor for the worst depths of OCD I was dealing with a few years ago was my impulse to make my desires simpler and neater, like I was trying to whittle myself down and get rid of things with possible negative implications. But now I realize that bettering oneself is not a process of eliminating problematic things, but sometimes embracing them, embracing the complexity and knowing that we'll probably never know what half of this stuff is really about. I feel much better and whole now that I've embraced all my desires again and found new ones.
When I was trying to distance myself from certain things, I was becoming more anxious, pompous, suspicious, accusatory; yes, more conservative. If I've always had a taste for and open-mindedness about weird/extreme content, yet still fallen into this narrow minded fear, how can I expect many other people to understand? Perhaps the normalization of weird fetishes will save us all?
Maybe I haven't learned my lesson, because while extreme gore and death fetishes now seem relatively wholesome (it usually seems so detached from the real world and I'm sure most of these fetishists are nice enough), there is still porn I look upon with a bit of fear and suspicion: lots of racial stuff, anything that seems to be simmering with hatred for perceived inadequacies and weakness or stuff that revels in societal stigma attached to victims. But maybe it's all more complex and a bit more innocent than it seems.
I seen an interesting thing a few months ago, there was a piece of bimbo transformation art and lots of fans of this stuff were complaining in a thread that the artist seemed to believe in the themes too seriously, like they were genuinely appalled by someone taking some of the common tropes into the context of their thinking about the real world. There's so much role-play in these communities that it's difficult to know what anyone really thinks about these things but occasionally you see an appalled outsider commenting and then some going "hey this is just fun fantasy, we'd never actually do any of this stuff".
I'm a little bit worried because I do all my art under my own name (and wouldn't have it any other way) and sure eventually if I execute a good number of my ideas, that it will cost me something someday. Family often asks to see my work and I don't know how they'd react to all the incest art and some other things I want to do. But I always remember that there's really extreme artists in Indonesia and China who could get into way more serious trouble if they were found out and there was a woman who does some serious taboos and apparently her family just thinks it's funny. Why does any artist want to scare normal people so much? I'd rather not face any opposition and we could all just write and draw without trouble.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 October 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link